From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 09:52:20 +0200 Message-ID: <20191012075151.GR9799@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <87zhibiqka.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g3k4hd.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <20191010040011.GU20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net> <20191010051730.GA27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <87d0f4y8qz.fsf@gnu.org> <3e7d86bcb247619ecabf19318e68b576ad5da291.camel@gmail.com> <550194FB-102B-4796-974A-18028C03848A@gnu.support> <3Eu4E-F8aPpRXQrn1QtCVNRziOcK9SGcpbKCNrsbT8B7khu794xQGeT6YmwPC0fHyoGL6IO950ei1M96vA_3AALQv5e9AKp3ACI7yCbjfEw=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJCCd-0001Rj-NC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:52:41 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJCCb-00039u-Qj for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 03:52:39 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3Eu4E-F8aPpRXQrn1QtCVNRziOcK9SGcpbKCNrsbT8B7khu794xQGeT6YmwPC0fHyoGL6IO950ei1M96vA_3AALQv5e9AKp3ACI7yCbjfEw=@protonmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: P Cc: GNU Guix maintainers , fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org, info-gnu@gnu.org, "help-guix@gnu.org" , Libreplanet Discuss , "guix-devel@gnu.org" , gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org Dear P, See my comments below. * P [2019-10-10 22:33]: > =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Origina= l Message =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 > On Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:22 PM, Jean Louis wr= ote: >=20 > > > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If = you > > > don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which is = the > > > appropriate mailing list. > > > > I don't mind. > > > > Guix developers published biased and factless defamation of RMS on Gu= ix pages. >=20 > This is what they actually said: GNU is not fulfilling its mission > when the behavior of its leader alienates a large part of those we > want to reach out to. That is incorrect. GNU is free operating system, and by writing this from a Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre system it is a simple fact that it is fullfiling its mission. Let us be specific and speak of specific facts, concrete, and let us avoid generalizations. Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and the succession company by conducting fears, uncertainty and doubts[1] and by publishing generalized, fact-less defamation of Dr. Richard Stallman are simply trying to take over the authority and powers in GNU project. However, the effect they got is quite opposite, people don't trust them. Even people outside of GNU project and those not being supporters of free software are expressing their opinions on Internet calling them "traitors" and other bad names that shall not be mentioned at this place.=20 That is the mob's reaction on their libelous statement, based on emotions, again not on facts. Their libelous statement itself was based also on emotions and fears of Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and the successi= on company that they will lose their own reputation in their own lives due to connection to GNU project itself run by Dr. Richard Stallman. I say this, if my friend is my friend, I stay loyal to my friend, despite the rumors in background. Rumors are not facts, and there is no public figure in the world of last 30 years that has not been attacked by rumors one way or the other. But rumor is not a fact. > Which is true, and the funny thing is, it's true by your own > admission as well. It is not true. It is very easy to say "it is true" and accuse RMS and further inflate accusations. It is very hard to provide facts. The fact is that Ludovic Court=C3=A8s is not a free software activist. He cannot represent what he said. He is hacker, he is free software developer, but not activist in the sense that he pushes free software forward. Do you see the difference in what I am talking about? Why I am saying this? Because as of now, on his websites I do not see mentioning of "free software" and any ideas related to free software. Do you see here on his website any mentioning of the specific term "free software"? http://people.bordeaux.inria.fr/lcourtes/ Try searching for this term: site:hpc.guix.info "free software" on search engines and you will see his other website https://hpc.guix.info is not mentioning any advancement of free software. He is hacker, programmer, developer of free software, but it looks it just happens by chance, he found ground to do it, which is all good and fine, but he is not public or loud proponent of free software. Nowhere on his personal pages he has mentioned important of the GNU Project and free software and importance of Dr. Richard Stallman. He likes free software, he develops it, all is fine, there are many developers like that, and nobody asks him to be proponend or public proponent for free software, he is free to do what he wish. However, the fact that Ludovic Court=C3=A8s is not a public proponent of free software and that he never mentioned free software movements and importances of it, that I know, does not qualify him, does not make him trusted to say what he said on: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-project/ It is my opinion and impression that many GNU developers joined the GNU project, without being truly aware of free software ideas and politics. What did Ludovic Court=C3=A8s do for free software in last month, or week= s other but programming? He has just ruined the image of Guix, GNU, FSF and Richard Stallman, and himself. What did Richard Stallman do for free software in last 30 days? He went to Microsoft Research and did a talk on free software. See this article: https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spo= ke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/ That was September 4th 2019. Did Ludovic Court=C3=A8s ever did talk on free software? Or just on Guix, Guile, and other technical stuff that he likes? Now back to subject of this email, you said that Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and his succession company is right and that "GNU is not fullfiling its mission" due to rumors about RMS, and I have given you my short research of websites of Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and have shown you and given you short research of RMS's deeds in last September 2019, and those facts are now showing: 1. That Ludovic Court=C3=A8s never spoke publicly about free software, an= d did not promote free software politics and ideology. He promoted free software as such, and is programmer who produces free software, and that is good enough. But the distinction is in this case important as he is claiming incorrectly that RMS is endangering GNU project for rumor's sake. 2. That RMS did the speech in Microsoft Research and pushed forward the idea of free software, "covering the importance of free software, GPL v3, GNU vs. Linux. He added that "he had a list of 'small requests': make Github push users to better software license hygiene, make hardware manufacturers to publish their hardware specs, make it easier to workaround Secure Boot." That disproves Ludovic Court=C3=A8s's qualification to say that Dr. Richa= rd Stallman is not qualified to lead GNU project. Nobody was EVER qualified to lead GNU project but Richard Stallman. Ludovic Court=C3=A8s is not qualified to lead GNU project and make such statements. He is qualified in technical terms to lead GNU software projects, not GNU project itself. GNU Project is primarily idelogical and political. It is not primarily technical. People who have signed their disgraceful statements are not ideologists: https://www.zdnet.com/article/free-software-advocate-richard-stallman-spo= ke-at-microsoft-research-this-week/ they are programmers, and I respect each of them what they do in their programming field. They are not qualified to replace GNU leadership for reasons that they have not done anything of ideological value for GNU proejct in that sense to replace RMS! Their opinions are invalid. Their opinions are based on their emotions and lack of experience in the life. Their opinions are based on rumors and fact-less biased generalizations. None of them could give facts. A person which could be maybe qualified to say that Dr. Richard Stallman is not qualified to lead GNU project, could be Eben Moglen. He was enforcing the GNU GPL license and worked with FSF in past. He was heavily involved with drafing of the GNU GPL. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen Now if he would say at this point or any point of time: "Dr. Stallman is not disgracing the GNU project because he has long beard and long hair and French public would rather like to see him nicely trimmed" -- I would laugh about it, and move on. And if Eben Moglen would say that Dr. Richard Stallman is not doing good for GNU project, then he would state the facts, and such facts do not exist now. But if he would state facts, I would not laugh about it, but would rather look into the facts. I have asked for facts from Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and his succession company, and I got no facts. I am not in doubt that Dr. Richard Stallman did GOOD to the world with the GNU project establishment. Jean Louis Footnotes: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt