* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode @ 2018-10-30 20:35 Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur 2018-11-04 23:08 ` [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a " Ludovic Courtès 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33210 Hi, These patches are supposed to slightly improve Cuirass' performances, because it doesn't use the multi-threading features. Clément ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread. 2018-10-30 20:35 [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 2/3] gnu: Add guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 3/3] gnu: cuirass: Use SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur 2018-11-04 23:08 ` [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a " Ludovic Courtès 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33210 * gnu/packages/databases.scm (sqlite-with-single-thread): New variable. --- gnu/packages/databases.scm | 10 ++++++++++ 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+) diff --git a/gnu/packages/databases.scm b/gnu/packages/databases.scm index 87fb170e5..24914cd87 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/databases.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/databases.scm @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ ;;; Copyright © 2017 Kristofer Buffington <kristoferbuffington@gmail.com> ;;; Copyright © 2018 Amirouche Boubekki <amirouche@hypermove.net> ;;; Copyright © 2018 Joshua Sierles, Nextjournal <joshua@nextjournal.com> +;;; Copyright © 2018 Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> ;;; ;;; This file is part of GNU Guix. ;;; @@ -1223,6 +1224,15 @@ is in the public domain.") "-DSQLITE_ENABLE_DBSTAT_VTAB " "-DSQLITE_ENABLE_COLUMN_METADATA"))))))) +;; This is used by Cuirass. +(define-public sqlite-with-single-thread + (package (inherit sqlite) + (name "sqlite-with-single-thread") + (arguments + (substitute-keyword-arguments (package-arguments sqlite) + ((#:configure-flags flags) + `(cons "--disable-threadsafe" ,flags)))))) + (define-public tdb (package (name "tdb") -- 2.19.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] [PATCH 2/3] gnu: Add guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread. 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 3/3] gnu: cuirass: Use SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33210 * gnu/packages/guile.scm (guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread): New variable. --- gnu/packages/guile.scm | 9 +++++++++ 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+) diff --git a/gnu/packages/guile.scm b/gnu/packages/guile.scm index 9e3300337..4f9ddf913 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/guile.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/guile.scm @@ -20,6 +20,7 @@ ;;; Copyright © 2018 Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net> ;;; Copyright © 2018 Pierre-Antoine Rouby <pierre-antoine.rouby@inria.fr> ;;; Copyright © 2018 Eric Bavier <bavier@member.fsf.org> +;;; Copyright © 2018 Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> ;;; ;;; This file is part of GNU Guix. ;;; @@ -71,6 +72,7 @@ #:use-module (gnu packages xdisorg) #:use-module (gnu packages xorg) #:use-module (gnu packages networking) + #:use-module ((guix build utils) #:select (alist-replace)) #:use-module (guix packages) #:use-module (guix download) #:use-module (guix git-download) @@ -1166,6 +1168,13 @@ Guile's foreign function interface.") "This package provides Guile bindings to the SQLite database system.") (license license:gpl3+))) +(define-public guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread + (package + (inherit guile-sqlite3) + (name "guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread") + (inputs (alist-replace "sqlite" (list sqlite-with-single-thread) + (package-inputs guile-sqlite3))))) + (define-public guile2.0-sqlite3 (package-for-guile-2.0 guile-sqlite3)) -- 2.19.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] [PATCH 3/3] gnu: cuirass: Use SQLite in single-thread mode. 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 2/3] gnu: Add guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 ` Clément Lassieur 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-10-30 20:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 33210 * gnu/packages/ci.scm (cuirass)[inputs]: Replace GUILE-SQLITE3 with GUILE-SQLITE3-WITH-SINGLE-THREAD. --- gnu/packages/ci.scm | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/gnu/packages/ci.scm b/gnu/packages/ci.scm index 1cac8b9fb..126948109 100644 --- a/gnu/packages/ci.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/ci.scm @@ -261,7 +261,7 @@ their dependencies.") ("guile-fibers" ,guile-fibers) ("guile-gcrypt" ,guile-gcrypt) ("guile-json" ,guile-json) - ("guile-sqlite3" ,guile-sqlite3) + ("guile-sqlite3" ,guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread) ("guile-git" ,guile-git) ;; FIXME: this is propagated by "guile-git", but it needs to be among ;; the inputs to add it to GUILE_LOAD_PATH. -- 2.19.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-10-30 20:35 [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-04 23:08 ` Ludovic Courtès 2018-11-05 8:02 ` Clément Lassieur 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-11-04 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 Hello, Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: > These patches are supposed to slightly improve Cuirass' performances, > because it doesn't use the multi-threading features. Did you notice a measurable difference? We could do it, but IMO that should be a last resort because I’d expect it to be a micro-optimization. WDYT? Ludo’. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-04 23:08 ` [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a " Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-11-05 8:02 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 0:11 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-06 14:40 ` Ludovic Courtès 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-05 8:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: 33210 Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes: > Hello, > > Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: > >> These patches are supposed to slightly improve Cuirass' performances, >> because it doesn't use the multi-threading features. > > Did you notice a measurable difference? I haven't done any measurement yet, but according to the SQLite documentation: Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the performance of SQLite. So even if the optimization is small, it's the option that has the biggest impact on performance. > We could do it, but IMO that should be a last resort because I’d expect > it to be a micro-optimization. Lots of micro-optimizations lead to an overall faster application ;-). And this one doesn't make the code more complicated. To me it's just a bonus. [1]: https://www.sqlite.org/compile.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-05 8:02 ` Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-06 0:11 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-06 0:50 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 14:40 ` Ludovic Courtès 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 0:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1782 bytes --] Hi Clément, > I haven't done any measurement yet, but according to the SQLite > documentation: > > Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and > thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single > compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the > performance of SQLite. > > So even if the optimization is small, it's the option that has the > biggest impact on performance. > > > We could do it, but IMO that should be a last resort because I’d expect > > it to be a micro-optimization. > > Lots of micro-optimizations lead to an overall faster application ;-). > And this one doesn't make the code more complicated. To me it's just a > bonus. Keep in mind that if we want consistent views via the web interface, the cuirass evaluator has to use its own connection independent of the web interface (so that the web interface doesn't see half-finished stuff). If that's still possible after that then fine. Right now, as I mentioned before, it can happen that you request a certain filter when requesting something from the web and the result will actually contain data that does not match the filter. What happened is that the data in the transaction got changed before we returned it but after the first query ran. This is not supposed to happen in relational database systems. The reason why it happens here is because we use the same transaction (session) for both the updates done by the evaluator and the queries done by the web interface. It would be much better if the queries by the web interface had their own transaction. It was fine before but in some refactoring, "evaluate" ceased to be an external program and I didn't notice what happened to it. [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 0:11 ` Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 0:50 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 11:20 ` Danny Milosavljevic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-06 0:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: 33210 Hi Danny, Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes: > Keep in mind that if we want consistent views via the web interface, > the cuirass evaluator has to use its own connection independent of the > web interface (so that the web interface doesn't see half-finished stuff). > If that's still possible after that then fine. > > Right now, as I mentioned before, it can happen that you request a certain > filter when requesting something from the web and the result will actually > contain data that does not match the filter. What happened is that the > data in the transaction got changed before we returned it but after the > first query ran. > > This is not supposed to happen in relational database systems. The reason > why it happens here is because we use the same transaction (session) for > both the updates done by the evaluator and the queries done by the web > interface. It would be much better if the queries by the web interface > had their own transaction. It was fine before but in some refactoring, > "evaluate" ceased to be an external program and I didn't notice what > happened to it. Yes, I know, but I remember that I told you[1] that there was an easy (one line) fix for this. :-) Do you want to send a patch? [1]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=32234#57 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 0:50 ` Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-06 11:20 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-06 14:07 ` Clément Lassieur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1288 bytes --] Hi Clément, On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:50:11 +0100 Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> wrote: > > This is not supposed to happen in relational database systems. The reason > > why it happens here is because we use the same transaction (session) for > > both the updates done by the evaluator and the queries done by the web > > interface. It would be much better if the queries by the web interface > > had their own transaction. It was fine before but in some refactoring, > > "evaluate" ceased to be an external program and I didn't notice what > > happened to it. > > Yes, I know, but I remember that I told you[1] that there was an easy > (one line) fix for this. :-) That would really only be a workaround (arguably still better than what we have now - which is basically you ask for a banana and I give you an apple - what if other procedures in cuirass assume it's a banana? :) ). We would be doing the work that SQLite would have done, but we'd do it in a bad way (by blocking everyone else). It's not really useful to undo all the progress relational databases have made. If we had multiple transactions in progress touching the same row, SQLite would use MVCC to hold diverging copies of the same row at the same time, blocking nobody. [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 11:20 ` Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 14:07 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 20:10 ` Danny Milosavljevic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-06 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: 33210 Hey Danny, Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes: > Hi Clément, > > On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 01:50:11 +0100 > Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> wrote: > >> > This is not supposed to happen in relational database systems. The reason >> > why it happens here is because we use the same transaction (session) for >> > both the updates done by the evaluator and the queries done by the web >> > interface. It would be much better if the queries by the web interface >> > had their own transaction. It was fine before but in some refactoring, >> > "evaluate" ceased to be an external program and I didn't notice what >> > happened to it. >> >> Yes, I know, but I remember that I told you[1] that there was an easy >> (one line) fix for this. :-) > > That would really only be a workaround (arguably still better than what we > have now - which is basically you ask for a banana and I give you an apple > - what if other procedures in cuirass assume it's a banana? :) ). > > We would be doing the work that SQLite would have done, but we'd do it in a bad > way (by blocking everyone else). > > It's not really useful to undo all the progress relational databases have made. > > If we had multiple transactions in progress touching the same row, SQLite would > use MVCC to hold diverging copies of the same row at the same time, blocking > nobody. It blocks everyone indeed, because we take care of the scheduling in a rather basic way. But if I understand correctly, the overall spent time is more or less the same: only the order of the requests differs. There is an essential difference however: if we take care of the scheduling, we won't have SQLITE_BUSY blocking the Fibers scheduler all the time. And blocking the Fibers scheduler has an impact on all other possibly unrelated Fibers clients. When guile-sqlite3 handles SQLITE_BUSY correctly, I'll be happy to switch back to a multi-threading SQLite. While waiting for it, I believe our users want a fast Cuirass, and I'd like the time spent in the Fibers scheduler to be balanced by removing the SQLite now useless mutexes. Does that make sense? Clément ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 14:07 ` Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-06 20:10 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-07 11:38 ` Clément Lassieur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3820 bytes --] Hi Clément, > rather basic way. But if I understand correctly, the overall spent time > is more or less the same: only the order of the requests differs. Yeah, right now users can query something using the web interface while a build is updating (or running) at the cost of the returned data being potentially very strange. The "one-line fix" would make it worse in that users cannot query while a build is running, making them wait until the build is done (approx. 30 min) before the query succeeds. The upside is that the returned data is consistent at all times. This is how DBMSes did it in the 90s, too. What I'd like to eventually have is the proper fix where users can query while a build is running, *and* the build doesn't have to wait either. This works just fine using two transactions with WAL mode of sqlite, which means it uses MVCC in order to keep both "world views", one for the querier and one for the builder (easily extended to an arbitrary number of queriers and builders at once by just having more transactions) while they are both using "the world". > is an essential difference however: if we take care of the scheduling, > we won't have SQLITE_BUSY blocking the Fibers scheduler all the time. > And blocking the Fibers scheduler has an impact on all other possibly > unrelated Fibers clients. Right. I just wanted to make sure we understand the possible implications here. In the end I'm not sure we even need multithreading even for my scenario - maybe (probably) just having an extra sqlite_open would be enough, threads or not. On the other hand there are shared caches etc and this change here could cause some very tricky problems then. I have to say I liked the external evaluator much more since then all this complexity would be contained in the external program and it would just magically work without special-casing any of this stuff. > When guile-sqlite3 handles SQLITE_BUSY > correctly, I'll be happy to switch back to a multi-threading SQLite. > While waiting for it, I believe our users want a fast Cuirass, and I'd > like the time spent in the Fibers scheduler to be balanced by removing > the SQLite now useless mutexes. That makes sense. It's difficult for guile-sqlite3 to handle SQLITE_BUSY correctly since sqlite also uses SQLITE_BUSY to indicate errors that you are supposed to fail on. In the non-presence of a busy handler, it's not possible to distinguish whether the SQLITE_BUSY was of the "please retry" kind or of the "don't you retry" kind. It would mean that guile-sqlite3 would have to have its own flag that indicates whether the busy handler was called, and check this one. Resetting this flag would also have to be potentially thread-safe (for other users of guile-sqlite3). That's always assuming that sqlite3 undos whatever it was trying to do before returning SQLITE_BUSY so it actually makes sense to retry the call later. So something like this: guile_sqlite_handle_busy(...) { guile_struct->busy_handler_called = true; return 0; // fail } guile_sqlite_open { int rc = native_sqlite_open(...); native_sqlite_set_busy_handler(..., guile_sqlite_handle_busy); // FIXME: check for errors here and fail on error guile_struct->busy_handler_called = false; } guile_sqlite_method { int rc, busy_handler_called; do { rc = native_sqlite_method(...); } while (rc == SQLITE_BUSY && (busy_handler_called = test-and-reset(guile_struct->busy_handler_called), yield)); return rc; } Hmmmmmmmm. I think that can be done. Notes for myself: pager.c busyHandler btreeInvokeBusyHandler sqlite3BtreeBeginTrans sqlite3PagerSetBusyhandler SQLITE_FCNTL_BUSYHANDLER [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 20:10 ` Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-07 11:38 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-07 23:59 ` Danny Milosavljevic 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-07 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: 33210 Hi Danny, Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes: > Yeah, right now users can query something using the web interface while > a build is updating (or running) at the cost of the returned data being > potentially very strange. This is quite unlikely. > The "one-line fix" would make it worse in that users cannot query while > a build is running, making them wait until the build is done (approx. > 30 min) before the query succeeds. The upside is that the returned > data is consistent at all times. This is how DBMSes did it in the 90s, > too. No, there are no SQL requests during the build. There are some before the build, and some after the build. But they are all short. > What I'd like to eventually have is the proper fix where users can query > while a build is running, *and* the build doesn't have to wait either. > This works just fine using two transactions with WAL mode of sqlite, > which means it uses MVCC in order to keep both "world views", one for the > querier and one for the builder (easily extended to an arbitrary > number of queriers and builders at once by just having more transactions) > while they are both using "the world". It's already the case, because all the queries are very short. >> is an essential difference however: if we take care of the scheduling, >> we won't have SQLITE_BUSY blocking the Fibers scheduler all the time. >> And blocking the Fibers scheduler has an impact on all other possibly >> unrelated Fibers clients. > > Right. I just wanted to make sure we understand the possible implications here. > > In the end I'm not sure we even need multithreading even for my scenario - > maybe (probably) just having an extra sqlite_open would be enough, threads > or not. On the other hand there are shared caches etc and this change here > could cause some very tricky problems then. I don't understand this. Could you explain why we would need an extra sqlite_open, what change are you talking about, and why there could be tricky problems with shared caches? > I have to say I liked the external evaluator much more since then all > this complexity would be contained in the external program and it would > just magically work without special-casing any of this stuff. The evaluator is still external, I'm not sure what you are talking about. >> When guile-sqlite3 handles SQLITE_BUSY >> correctly, I'll be happy to switch back to a multi-threading SQLite. >> While waiting for it, I believe our users want a fast Cuirass, and I'd >> like the time spent in the Fibers scheduler to be balanced by removing >> the SQLite now useless mutexes. > > That makes sense. > > It's difficult for guile-sqlite3 to handle SQLITE_BUSY correctly since > sqlite also uses SQLITE_BUSY to indicate errors that you are supposed to > fail on. [...] > Hmmmmmmmm. I think that can be done. Cool! Cheers, Clément ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-07 11:38 ` Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-07 23:59 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-08 7:45 ` Clément Lassieur 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-07 23:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1767 bytes --] Hi Clément, > > Yeah, right now users can query something using the web interface while > > a build is updating (or running) at the cost of the returned data being > > potentially very strange. > > This is quite unlikely. When testing the cuirass status frontend it happened regularily without me trying to make it happen - took quite some time to find the cause, too. > No, there are no SQL requests during the build. There are some before > the build, and some after the build. But they are all short. Yes, if there is one transaction right before starting the build and another transaction at the end of the build, then it's much better. > > I have to say I liked the external evaluator much more since then all > > this complexity would be contained in the external program and it would > > just magically work without special-casing any of this stuff. > > The evaluator is still external, I'm not sure what you are talking > about. Hmm, I'll read through the source for a bit. I was of the impression that now the cuirass main process did the updating of the build status rather than the evaluator. > > It's difficult for guile-sqlite3 to handle SQLITE_BUSY correctly since > > sqlite also uses SQLITE_BUSY to indicate errors that you are supposed to > > fail on. > > [...] > > > Hmmmmmmmm. I think that can be done. I've tried it and it works well enough, although some of the sqlite documentation makes it sound like one cannot *just* retry some of the calls (for example: sqlite3_step). It's one of the disadantages of fibers that every C library has to have special code in it to support it somehow (if at all) - it means that it has to be written in a way to make all calls non-blocking. [-- Attachment #2: OpenPGP digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-07 23:59 ` Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-08 7:45 ` Clément Lassieur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-11-08 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Danny Milosavljevic; +Cc: 33210, Andy Wingo Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> writes: > Hi Clément, > >> > Yeah, right now users can query something using the web interface while >> > a build is updating (or running) at the cost of the returned data being >> > potentially very strange. >> >> This is quite unlikely. > > When testing the cuirass status frontend it happened regularily without > me trying to make it happen - took quite some time to find the cause, too. Maybe it happened without me noticing then. I'll trust you on this :-) >> No, there are no SQL requests during the build. There are some before >> the build, and some after the build. But they are all short. > > Yes, if there is one transaction right before starting the build and another > transaction at the end of the build, then it's much better. > >> > I have to say I liked the external evaluator much more since then all >> > this complexity would be contained in the external program and it would >> > just magically work without special-casing any of this stuff. >> >> The evaluator is still external, I'm not sure what you are talking >> about. > > Hmm, I'll read through the source for a bit. I was of the impression > that now the cuirass main process did the updating of the build status > rather than the evaluator. Oh, yes, the updating of the build status is done by the main process, but the evaluator is still external and doesn't query the database. Why don't you like that? >> > It's difficult for guile-sqlite3 to handle SQLITE_BUSY correctly since >> > sqlite also uses SQLITE_BUSY to indicate errors that you are supposed to >> > fail on. >> >> [...] >> >> > Hmmmmmmmm. I think that can be done. > > I've tried it and it works well enough, although some of the sqlite > documentation makes it sound like one cannot *just* retry some of the > calls (for example: sqlite3_step). > > It's one of the disadantages of fibers that every C library has to have > special code in it to support it somehow (if at all) - it means that > it has to be written in a way to make all calls non-blocking. Indeed. I wonder how goroutines deal with this. Cc'ing Andy. Clément ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-05 8:02 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 0:11 ` Danny Milosavljevic @ 2018-11-06 14:40 ` Ludovic Courtès 2018-12-13 13:57 ` bug#33210: " Clément Lassieur 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-11-06 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clément Lassieur; +Cc: 33210 Hi Clément, Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: > Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes: > >> Hello, >> >> Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: >> >>> These patches are supposed to slightly improve Cuirass' performances, >>> because it doesn't use the multi-threading features. >> >> Did you notice a measurable difference? > > I haven't done any measurement yet, but according to the SQLite > documentation: > > Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and > thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single > compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the > performance of SQLite. > > So even if the optimization is small, it's the option that has the > biggest impact on performance. > >> We could do it, but IMO that should be a last resort because I’d expect >> it to be a micro-optimization. > > Lots of micro-optimizations lead to an overall faster application ;-). > And this one doesn't make the code more complicated. To me it's just a > bonus. I agree it doesn’t complicate the code; still, that’s a couple of additional package variants to deal with, for hardly measurable benefits I suspect. I think we should focus on higher-level optimizations at this development stage of Cuirass. For instance I have been meaning to patch it so that it doesn’t have to process all the build logs, since it doesn’t do anything with those logs and processing them involves tons of syscalls and string processing and introduces latency in fiber scheduling. This is a simple change that could have a more visible impact I believe. Hopefully I’ll get there real soon… WDYT? Ludo’. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* bug#33210: Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode 2018-11-06 14:40 ` Ludovic Courtès @ 2018-12-13 13:57 ` Clément Lassieur 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Clément Lassieur @ 2018-12-13 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: 33210-done Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes: > Hi Clément, > > Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: > >> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis: >>> >>>> These patches are supposed to slightly improve Cuirass' performances, >>>> because it doesn't use the multi-threading features. >>> >>> Did you notice a measurable difference? >> >> I haven't done any measurement yet, but according to the SQLite >> documentation: >> >> Setting -DSQLITE_THREADSAFE=0 causes all of the mutex and >> thread-safety logic in SQLite to be omitted. This is the single >> compile-time option that makes the most difference in optimizing the >> performance of SQLite. >> >> So even if the optimization is small, it's the option that has the >> biggest impact on performance. >> >>> We could do it, but IMO that should be a last resort because I’d expect >>> it to be a micro-optimization. >> >> Lots of micro-optimizations lead to an overall faster application ;-). >> And this one doesn't make the code more complicated. To me it's just a >> bonus. > > I agree it doesn’t complicate the code; still, that’s a couple of > additional package variants to deal with, for hardly measurable benefits > I suspect. > > I think we should focus on higher-level optimizations at this > development stage of Cuirass. For instance I have been meaning to patch > it so that it doesn’t have to process all the build logs, since it > doesn’t do anything with those logs and processing them involves tons of > syscalls and string processing and introduces latency in fiber > scheduling. This is a simple change that could have a more visible > impact I believe. Hopefully I’ll get there real soon… Understood! Sorry to reply that late. Closing. Clément ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2018-12-13 13:58 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 16+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2018-10-30 20:35 [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 1/3] gnu: Add sqlite-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 2/3] gnu: Add guile-sqlite3-with-single-thread Clément Lassieur 2018-10-30 20:47 ` [bug#33210] [PATCH 3/3] gnu: cuirass: Use SQLite in single-thread mode Clément Lassieur 2018-11-04 23:08 ` [bug#33210] Cuirass: Use a " Ludovic Courtès 2018-11-05 8:02 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 0:11 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-06 0:50 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 11:20 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-06 14:07 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 20:10 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-07 11:38 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-07 23:59 ` Danny Milosavljevic 2018-11-08 7:45 ` Clément Lassieur 2018-11-06 14:40 ` Ludovic Courtès 2018-12-13 13:57 ` bug#33210: " Clément Lassieur
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