From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Tonton Subject: Re: [PATCH] website: Add section section and links to code of conduct Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 18:05:41 +0200 Message-ID: <20180516180541.3c6c75c5@merlin.browniehive.net> References: <20180515233631.9165-1-tonton@riseup.net> <4026ee9726dcd1ef27c5fd6cd9221994@airmail.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/.E=a3s_/dcp.pymDW7x7J+E"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fIywn-0006ow-M5 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:06:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fIyw7-0003Aa-Kz for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:06:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:41090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fIyw7-00039S-7Y for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 May 2018 12:05:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4026ee9726dcd1ef27c5fd6cd9221994@airmail.cc> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: rain1@airmail.cc Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --Sig_/.E=a3s_/dcp.pymDW7x7J+E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I realize as I finish writing, I've created a wall of text. Maybe more than you bargained for. :) On Wed, 16 May 2018 16:06:07 +0100 rain1@airmail.cc wrote: > For the section about IRC. Please add a bit that explains why you=20 > shouldn't say "hi guys" when you join IRC. Instead "Hi guix" or "Hi=20 > #guix" is recommended. >=20 I'm not sure explaining some edge cases would be a-good-thing(tm). Instead I think it is better that we keep an eye out and tell each other when we make mistakes like this. This will also train our lenses to see these things better because we're using them. I see two distinct paths here (of many, greyscales are everywhere). 1. we specify every edgecase, and expect everyone to follow it. I.e. we should be perfect and know the rules. 2. we assume we are fallible and make mistakes, but try our best; so we gently tell when someone does something more or less bad. I think the first leads to a harder regime on everyone, and in most cases leads to a less humane culture. I think path 2 is the better choice. The reason I (we) have the CoC and strive to be better in this manner, as I see it; is because I (we) want to foster a kind culture where we can have thorough calm discussions where everyone has a say - because no one are radicalized, othered, ridiculed or worse. It is important that we don't make microaggressions big. We all make mistakes. And if someone tells me 'hey, that was a somewhat racist comment'= I should (even though it can be hard) take a look at myself and what I said; learn - and move on. The reason guys is not an appropriate term for the guix community is that it is a word that connotes gender. Yes, I know it can be used about females; b= ut that use of the term is extremely varying from culture to culture. The orig= in and most common use is for cis males. I'm quite sure we have incredibly talented women, genderqueers and other non-binary gendered beings among us. Therefore it is inapropriate to call us all male. I saw a case a day or three ago where someone was called on using 'hi guys' in the guix channel. I would like to give points to those involved, because it was handled very well. It made me think as well, I hadn't thought of that as a microaggression before. --Sig_/.E=a3s_/dcp.pymDW7x7J+E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEJpQ8ER/dPhCuYhy5z+UMpbuBoZAFAlr8VtUACgkQz+UMpbuB oZDzrBAA3Ga4q/4OtNXLY8PupDBKDi9IUNrC1hAqIEz+zuCExPowleB18QTCKyJT K3mLa1YEUFjKODG2WherIH2tZi2cfpDUWzvVtRGBAZ3OaZpxrfzCWAC/4eCOZES/ 3/ILwlAnW8sX/AJa+nmpONzJul6bW7Bk8XdPmFrW/sOJG0CqWH9PHcHH6+Yed3BF 5cWaz7/mReObpXQjUJaeDk/DvDnp+zB2RCM8Xi3jryAXJVEqRDarg3pI5M9qXCF9 SWL+opnGLxatBSjFj2U4JZCt/2NF1cQGcxlnHTuVb14gEtzog37WXnpAq+6YXLTe jKF3DEWrZaAO8jE1fu3eRC1p/kUSnPDH6vVWRY3Sy9kcmAOlPMN4RWGJs79tKf3u J+JlDAVcCThu1WLJIio5/1zDZkkkdkFbGFGp5DxlPRNPTw+PMsbzBpAzlqBQVir+ AqMyQTarLHkd6rdksZ8dUCnC7v1YevnlG4RepljA9vorzvwiqbqzolz1OjVxIi01 1Ly1jAruyGjy4sN8RlvBnBif/PpH4QbGV5MZCwajnB44PFf/z4T5rTz32E4QoqsI jHAshAz+oFNK7XRp2Ey+nMT/+h3euN7ysYJdwzQwJF8Rm4cgFz6ppU4O6cATx3vS GQiQVxMasqKDvejcH8whBlJXI819Vq4PvtXtA0hbl8XXaQHk1yA= =WnHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/.E=a3s_/dcp.pymDW7x7J+E--