From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: Packaging a free Firefox Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 11:53:04 +0200 Message-ID: <20180503095304.hfioystoaysmu64t@thebird.nl> References: <87y3h1g42q.fsf@lassieur.org> <877eolw9w7.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fEAvJ-0004T0-Eu for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2018 05:53:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fEAvD-0001So-EL for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2018 05:53:13 -0400 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([94.142.245.5]:48502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fEAvD-0001SP-78 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2018 05:53:07 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <877eolw9w7.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Chris Marusich Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Cl=E9ment?= Lassieur On Wed, May 02, 2018 at 11:06:32PM -0700, Chris Marusich wrote: > Cl=E9ment Lassieur writes: >=20 > > I find Icecat very buggy, even if I compare it to a home-made Firefox > > package that inherits Icecat (and thus is very close to Icecat). For > > example I can't even pay with my credit card with icecat-52-guix, > > whereas I can with firefox-home-52-guix. (It looks like a javascript > > issue.) Also, lots of videos don't work, and it's difficult to know > > whether it's because of technical issues or because of DRM. >=20 > This has not been my experience with IceCat. With two exceptions, > IceCat has performed just as well as Firefox for me for everything I > have done, including credit card payments. I sometimes watch YouTube > videos using IceCat, but I don't view many other videos, so I can't > really comment on how well IceCat handles videos. If it requires DRM, > of course, it's not going to work in IceCat, which is a good thing. >=20 > When I use IceCat over TOR, it doesn't always work. When I use IceCat > with extensions (plugins? add-ons? I'm not sure what the right > terminology is here) like NoScript enabled, it doesn't always work. Bu= t > when I don't use TOR and I disable those add-ons, everything works just > as well as stock Firefox. If you're still having trouble after > disabling those things, can you describe the specifics of what you're > having trouble with? >=20 > The exceptions I have experienced with IceCat: >=20 > 1) A website failed for me because IceCat enables Referer spoofing by > default (network.http.referer.spoofSource in about:config). I had to > disable that feature to use that website. >=20 > 2) It used to be that IceCat would crash frequently for me. However, > once I changed my gfx.canvas.azure.backends and > gfx.content.azure.backends from "cairo" to "skia", this problem stopped > for me. I don't know if this is still an issue , since I haven't ever > switched it back to "cairo". See here for details: >=20 > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2016-11/msg00008.html In my experience Icecat usually works. But sometimes it does not and it is usually a JavaScript thing. It would be nice to have firefox too. I agree with Cl=E9ment that it is an important option for users and it is still a dominant browser. Currently we only can install it as binary blobs. Which are often broken in my setup. Pj.