From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ng0 Subject: Re: Manual (was: fully functional desktop installation) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 16:52:22 +0000 Message-ID: <20180115165222.vswvi4kqofxtfott@abyayala> References: <20161229171045.263747a9@riseup.net> <87bmvpb21m.fsf@gnu.org> <20170108041145.6d9a5cbc@riseup.net> <87shotx3eq.fsf@gnu.org> <20180115151819.ez3uyqykip4xp4y4@abyayala> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rd3tqr3dbyf7tvuo" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb746-0002dx-8D for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:52:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eb745-00075A-0W for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:52:50 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Amirouche Boubekki Cc: Quiliro , guix-devel@gnu.org --rd3tqr3dbyf7tvuo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Amirouche Boubekki transcribed 7.7K bytes: > Does the manual want to avoid the fact that minimal knowledge of Scheme is > required maybe we should add a small intro to guile or guix manual > something maybe like my book called "a guile mind book" So far the Guix Manual tried to just provide cross reference links where possible. We've had enough bugs (in other words: questions, misunderstandin= gs,..) about the Manual to assume that we need something like that. The Manual is good, but we are far from free of criticism. So, yes, in my opinion we need this. And more like this, I have the growing need to start a rewrite proposal branch.. But this has to wait until I can spend time on it. > Le 15 janv. 2018 3:20 PM, "ng0" a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s transcribed 1.7K bytes: > > > Hi Quiliro! > > > > > > Quiliro skribis: > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 22:11:01 +0100 > > > > ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > >> The desktop example contains all of GNOME, when choosing GNOME, wh= ich > > > >> provides an email client, Web browser, and lots of other things. > > > > > > > > I don't find the email client. > > > > The web browser will not reproduce videos. > > > > > > This is a bug that needs to be treated separately. Clearly Nautilus > > > should be able to play videos. > > > > I can confirm this for some file, I just had the opinion Nautilus wasn't > > very capable and didn't report it when I first noticed it. > > > > > > I have no idea how to chat in Gnome. (Of course I will investigate.) > > > > > > There=E2=80=99s Pidgin, but maybe it=E2=80=99s not really part of GNO= ME. > > > > > > > What you say makes sense. But what users that cannot learn to insta= ll > > > > need to work on their own matters is very important in order for th= em > > to > > > > be able to advocate the free system. Perhaps we do not want to prom= ote > > > > the use of Flash or Microsoft Office formats. These issues are > > > > critical. But they are not against the FSDGs. And the user must not= ice > > > > we are able to offer those capabilities. We must always insist in > > > > suggesting to use the libre alternatives. In this case, we should n= ot > > > > avoid including the ability to read those formats. > > > > > > I agree, but again, I think GNOME provides everything for these tasks. > > > Also, at this point, the target audience of GuixSD is not =E2=80=9Cus= ers that > > > cannot learn to install=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94if someone managed to instal= l GuixSD, surely > > > they=E2=80=99ll find out how to install LibreOffice. > > > > In my opinion we could extend examples in the Manual. > > We already expect people to read the Manual, even if it's hard to > > digest for newcomers in some passages (different problem). To add > > an 'from 0 to full Desktop' walk through or just extension of the exist= ing > > material with references to the appropriate sections would be good. > > > > Even if we don't expect people who are not willing to play around, break > > parts > > and play around with the system, we need clear examples. Even people who > > are > > experienced want some kind of help instead of high expertise expectatio= n. > > > > People keep asking me obvious question that should be in the manual. > > Sometimes things which could be snippets in an example chapter. > > For example (home-directory (string-append "/home/" name)). Super obvio= us, > > I know. > > > > > > I have also had problems with Mimetypes. Many files will not open > > > > because the Gnome will not identify which program is appropriate. > > > > > > Sounds like a bug. Could you report all the details to > > > bug-guix@gnu.org: how to reproduce, what you expected, and what you g= ot? > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > Ludo=E2=80=99. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ng0 :: https://ea.n0.is > > A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 :: https://ea.n0.is/keys/ > > --=20 ng0 :: https://ea.n0.is A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 :: https://ea.n0.is/keys/ --rd3tqr3dbyf7tvuo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEqIyK3RKYKNfqwC5S4i+bv+40hYgFAlpc3EYACgkQ4i+bv+40 hYgDoQ/8Du1x02i7wvkp9kIPsL0tnbkayaioXHAC6OGRogWHTqO5RlAHDAL8qUUP 8qmw88TBSps79F5tVqOH9Y23WQWmfLJ/8M8bel6lG+/cO5Z4pOrLasbEV6dHzLGc ehv46hprHMAC6LzuPBb9FukBlv7wMjPw6g5IWQ6NRGE+1Z2qbK9gjLul+3dAvMx4 sUFVJ8oLgsmgYNasyYPNW41/Yt4ZBnluKIcGo6vKmxVaJzzulzkIusYh/CsnKSIG U8vTBk9z5OYVg3BumKyFhh/YPHy65yE7IOWTW2x0GsitpaHzJfgk7+FukUr3/Fdb I1D8ThPGses7J8BuspjlNn8dHpprQ2md4bNle1lGq9f9i20o66fbG/rdP7t/RAhH Erh47BNTIMOFxp5qWaYgO15H78m1B2w6Dwy3xQ924ElAM/dEx9DTfYAfX7V649M+ cDt57fgGK3bOfTvDniop4JLdSknOT63YnoFrfBGFzMYeGrbzmfHBwN+sdKdxzWhJ cPLoIpNmJvoxlvi1JF8szW+YPFQMNoakEy9sr80wQbMdLUpM32R7byo3Ehsc10of 4r2xrWbRP34bKH3zii7l1fBXIhVBQJDlBNne1xAf60WlbgA0k3gdHK51kuLvSO71 U8bG8GoIMh2d/xZC+p+NaUguQH19vVlzirakt8q2p8+LsQn/fU8= =a2jU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rd3tqr3dbyf7tvuo--