* Thunderbird @ 2017-07-18 17:13 ng0 2017-07-28 17:09 ` Thunderbird Adonay Felipe Nogueira 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: ng0 @ 2017-07-18 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 677 bytes --] Hi, I am currently working on Thunderbird. While the trademark issues between Debian and Mozilla have been resolved (and Icedove is no longer a thing) I guess this isn't enough for Guix. I'm developing a vanilla build first, but I'm open for suggestions on what's needed to make it Guix compatible. My only guess is "prevent use of Mozilla Webstore", which is what I'm looking into in parallel for Firefox. If it wasn't for the /gnu/store/ it would be easy ;) The default build is unbranded, so no issues there. -- ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://n0is.noblogs.org/my-keys https://www.infotropique.org https://krosos.org [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-07-18 17:13 Thunderbird ng0 @ 2017-07-28 17:09 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2017-07-28 17:31 ` Thunderbird ng0 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-07-28 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: guix-devel The existence of Icedove and absense of Thunderbird in the following places tell me that the major issues aren't solved yet: - [[https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?q=thunderbird]]. - [[https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/tree/flidas]]. Flidas is the codename of the upcoming Trisquel 8. - [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Icedove]]. Also, [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Thunderbird]] redirects to the first one. As a plus, go to [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines]], and *search* for Thunderbird (the links to it in the table of contents don't work well, you have to search for it). -- - [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno]] - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre, por isso não uso. Iguais a ele prefiro GNU Ring, ou Tox. Quer outras formas de contato? Adicione o vCard que está no endereço acima aos teus contatos. - Pretende me enviar arquivos .doc, .ppt, .cdr, ou .mp3? OK, eu aceito, mas não repasso. Entrego apenas em formatos favoráveis ao /software/ livre. Favor entrar em contato em caso de dúvida. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-07-28 17:09 ` Thunderbird Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-07-28 17:31 ` ng0 2017-07-28 17:42 ` Thunderbird ng0 2017-09-06 20:28 ` Thunderbird Adonay Felipe Nogueira 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: ng0 @ 2017-07-28 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1508 bytes --] Hi, Adonay Felipe Nogueira transcribed 1.2K bytes: > The existence of Icedove and absense of Thunderbird in the following > places tell me that the major issues aren't solved yet: > > - [[https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?q=thunderbird]]. > > - > [[https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/tree/flidas]]. Flidas > is the codename of the upcoming Trisquel 8. > > - [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Icedove]]. Also, > [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Thunderbird]] redirects to the first > one. > > As a plus, go to > [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines]], > and *search* for Thunderbird (the links to it in the table of contents > don't work well, you have to search for it). Which major issues? I asked for issues which might exists, the libreplanet.org wiki is notoriously lacking content most of the time or lagging behind and directory.fsf.org isn't up to date aswell for most of the software present there. I'd like to get input on this mailinglist what you consider to be major (and minor) issues. Just for the libreplanet list: "Problem: Recommends non-free software (extensions) and non-free searchplugins. " This is the one problem I am going to address which I know of and it is easy to fix in the package receipe. -- ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://n0is.noblogs.org/my-keys https://www.infotropique.org https://krosos.org [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-07-28 17:31 ` Thunderbird ng0 @ 2017-07-28 17:42 ` ng0 2017-09-06 20:28 ` Thunderbird Adonay Felipe Nogueira 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: ng0 @ 2017-07-28 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira, guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2085 bytes --] What I mean is, I'd rather want to have the input and opinions of our community than of many others I've already read. I could include everything from here https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/nonprism/icedove which fits for us, but I don't want to include more patches and substitutions than necessary. ng0 transcribed 2.5K bytes: > Hi, > > Adonay Felipe Nogueira transcribed 1.2K bytes: > > The existence of Icedove and absense of Thunderbird in the following > > places tell me that the major issues aren't solved yet: > > > > - [[https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?q=thunderbird]]. > > > > - > > [[https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/tree/flidas]]. Flidas > > is the codename of the upcoming Trisquel 8. > > > > - [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Icedove]]. Also, > > [[https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Thunderbird]] redirects to the first > > one. > > > > As a plus, go to > > [[https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines]], > > and *search* for Thunderbird (the links to it in the table of contents > > don't work well, you have to search for it). > > Which major issues? I asked for issues which might exists, > the libreplanet.org wiki is notoriously lacking content most > of the time or lagging behind and directory.fsf.org isn't > up to date aswell for most of the software present there. > > I'd like to get input on this mailinglist what you consider > to be major (and minor) issues. > > Just for the libreplanet list: > "Problem: Recommends non-free software (extensions) and non-free searchplugins. " > This is the one problem I am going to address which I know of and it is easy > to fix in the package receipe. > -- > ng0 > GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 > GnuPG: https://n0is.noblogs.org/my-keys > https://www.infotropique.org https://krosos.org -- ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://n0is.noblogs.org/my-keys https://www.infotropique.org https://krosos.org [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-07-28 17:31 ` Thunderbird ng0 2017-07-28 17:42 ` Thunderbird ng0 @ 2017-09-06 20:28 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira 2017-09-08 20:25 ` Thunderbird Catonano 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-09-06 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: guix-devel I see... Perhaps the extensions page can be redirected to the related page on the Free Software Directory, or completely disable the extensions page redirect and allow only packages to be installed either manually or also manually through GNU Guix. ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes: > Hi, > > > Which major issues? I asked for issues which might exists, > the libreplanet.org wiki is notoriously lacking content most > of the time or lagging behind and directory.fsf.org isn't > up to date aswell for most of the software present there. > > I'd like to get input on this mailinglist what you consider > to be major (and minor) issues. > > Just for the libreplanet list: > "Problem: Recommends non-free software (extensions) and non-free > searchplugins. " > This is the one problem I am going to address which I know of and it is easy > to fix in the package receipe. -- - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, use o GNU Ring ou o Tox. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-06 20:28 ` Thunderbird Adonay Felipe Nogueira @ 2017-09-08 20:25 ` Catonano 2017-09-11 6:23 ` Thunderbird Arun Isaac [not found] ` <19fee2b9.AEEAQKqUR8QAAAAAAAAAAAOu6r8AAAACwQwAAAAAAAW9WABZtiwD@mailjet.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Catonano @ 2017-09-08 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 529 bytes --] 2017-09-06 22:28 GMT+02:00 Adonay Felipe Nogueira <adfeno@hyperbola.info>: > I see... > > Perhaps the extensions page can be redirected to the related page on the > Free Software Directory, or completely disable the extensions page > redirect and allow only packages to be installed either manually or also > manually through GNU Guix. > > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail https://astroidmail.github.io/ It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely useful in the short/medium term [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 929 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-08 20:25 ` Thunderbird Catonano @ 2017-09-11 6:23 ` Arun Isaac 2017-09-11 10:31 ` Thunderbird ng0 [not found] ` <19fee2b9.AEEAQKqUR8QAAAAAAAAAAAOu6r8AAAACwQwAAAAAAAW9WABZtiwD@mailjet.com> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Arun Isaac @ 2017-09-11 6:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Catonano; +Cc: guix-devel > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail > https://astroidmail.github.io/ > > It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely > useful in the short/medium term Astroid requires external programs like mpop or offlineimap to fetch mail. So it cannot quite replace Thunderbird for the casual mail user. Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-11 6:23 ` Thunderbird Arun Isaac @ 2017-09-11 10:31 ` ng0 2017-09-11 11:14 ` Thunderbird Catonano 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: ng0 @ 2017-09-11 10:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arun Isaac; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2005 bytes --] Arun Isaac transcribed 0.4K bytes: > > > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail > > https://astroidmail.github.io/ > > > > It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely > > useful in the short/medium term > > Astroid requires external programs like mpop or offlineimap to fetch > mail. So it cannot quite replace Thunderbird for the casual mail > user. Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both > claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. My only usecase for Thunderbird is Enigmail and its coming GNUnet integration done in corporation of pEp (and GNUnet) and the Enigmail team. Personal opinion: Thunderbird is really terrible and I have my reasons why I stopped using it so long ago I stopped counting or caring for its existence (must've been around '99 or '00 maybe...). Nevertheless it is a mandatory tool for some people who can't switch easily and I doubt anyone will embrace the task of getting Thunderbird into Guix with joy. So far I'm hitting the first drömpels (road bumpers) in the build process with a reference within Thunderbird. Wrt the earlier emails: yes, my intention (also for Icecat/Firefox) is to provide Addons via Guix to get rid of yet another point of authority (Mozilla Appstore). It is my understanding that at least a while back someone was already looking into this and at least the idea was accepted and welcomed. So far my only reference is NixOS and Gentoo, where NixOS is more useful with the way they construct their solutions. I'll also try the same for Newmoon (Palemoon) (or rather my wip'ish fork/patchset of Newmoon) before I sent it in when I have it in an presentable, libre state. Alternatives exist, yep. But for me it's no only this or only that application question. It's about dynamic choice. -- ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/ https://www.infotropique.org https://www.krosos.org [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-11 10:31 ` Thunderbird ng0 @ 2017-09-11 11:14 ` Catonano 2017-09-11 13:59 ` Thunderbird ng0 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Catonano @ 2017-09-11 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: guix-devel, ng0 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2211 bytes --] 2017-09-11 12:31 GMT+02:00 ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>: > Arun Isaac transcribed 0.4K bytes: > > > > > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail > > > https://astroidmail.github.io/ > > > > > > It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely > > > useful in the short/medium term > > > > Astroid requires external programs like mpop or offlineimap to fetch > > mail. So it cannot quite replace Thunderbird for the casual mail > > user. Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both > > claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. > > My only usecase for Thunderbird is Enigmail and its coming GNUnet > integration > done in corporation of pEp (and GNUnet) and the Enigmail team. > ok > Personal opinion: Thunderbird is really terrible and I have my reasons > why I stopped using it so long ago I stopped counting or caring for its > existence (must've been around '99 or '00 maybe...). > right > Nevertheless it is a mandatory tool for some people who can't switch > easily and I doubt anyone will embrace the task of getting Thunderbird > into Guix with joy. > right So far I'm hitting the first drömpels (road bumpers) in the build process > with a reference within Thunderbird. > > Wrt the earlier emails: yes, my intention (also for Icecat/Firefox) is to > provide Addons via Guix to get rid of yet another point of authority > (Mozilla Appstore). It is my understanding that at least a while back > someone was already looking into this and at least the idea was accepted > and welcomed. > it s an exciting view of the future, yes. > Alternatives exist, yep. But for me it's no only this or only that > application question. It's about dynamic choice. > Of course you have your motivation My fear is that you are somewhat underestimating the effort that such an endeavour entails. I might be wrong, of course. Anyway, I was just requesting an effort on Androidmail. It might be you, Arun or anyone else ;-) My case for Androidmail is that it could be one of the steps (for me) in the process of abandoning Gmail. Again: I might be wrong ! Thanks for engaging ;-) [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3698 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-11 11:14 ` Thunderbird Catonano @ 2017-09-11 13:59 ` ng0 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: ng0 @ 2017-09-11 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Catonano; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3634 bytes --] Catonano transcribed 6.1K bytes: > 2017-09-11 12:31 GMT+02:00 ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>: > > > Arun Isaac transcribed 0.4K bytes: > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail > > > > https://astroidmail.github.io/ > > > > > > > > It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely > > > > useful in the short/medium term > > > > > > Astroid requires external programs like mpop or offlineimap to fetch > > > mail. So it cannot quite replace Thunderbird for the casual mail > > > user. Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both > > > claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. > > > > My only usecase for Thunderbird is Enigmail and its coming GNUnet > > integration > > done in corporation of pEp (and GNUnet) and the Enigmail team. > > > > ok > > > > Personal opinion: Thunderbird is really terrible and I have my reasons > > why I stopped using it so long ago I stopped counting or caring for its > > existence (must've been around '99 or '00 maybe...). > > > > right > > > > Nevertheless it is a mandatory tool for some people who can't switch > > easily and I doubt anyone will embrace the task of getting Thunderbird > > into Guix with joy. > > > > right > > So far I'm hitting the first drömpels (road bumpers) in the build process > > with a reference within Thunderbird. > > > > Wrt the earlier emails: yes, my intention (also for Icecat/Firefox) is to > > provide Addons via Guix to get rid of yet another point of authority > > (Mozilla Appstore). It is my understanding that at least a while back > > someone was already looking into this and at least the idea was accepted > > and welcomed. > > > > it s an exciting view of the future, yes. > > > > Alternatives exist, yep. But for me it's no only this or only that > > application question. It's about dynamic choice. > > > > Of course you have your motivation > > My fear is that you are somewhat underestimating the effort that such an > endeavour entails. 3 years into this project (not TB ;)) and some years longer into another one I've got my reality check once or twice, so I know how long volunteering work on certain construction sites can take (and about the times when it just wears you out). I also know that if I won't finish it, there's enough people (at least 1 person I know of) interested that we will get it finished eventually at some point. For me it's not about the effort it takes but the time one has to spend debugging issues. And of course, as a volunteering task how much fun / motivation you see in it. Don't do anything you don't want to do. For now I want to do Thunderbird because I like challenges. Sometimes it looks like you make no progress at all for weeks or months, and suddenly it works. That's all it is in packages, solving puzzles. Of course I have to plan work now since university started. I'll move the thunerbird package around on the weekend, so that it's more visible for those who want to work on it - it's still in an old repository intended for a structure I no longer see worth following. > I might be wrong, of course. > Anyway, I was just requesting an effort on Androidmail. > It might be you, Arun or anyone else ;-) > > My case for Androidmail is that it could be one of the steps (for me) in > the process of abandoning Gmail. > > Again: I might be wrong ! > > Thanks for engaging ;-) -- ng0 GnuPG: A88C8ADD129828D7EAC02E52E22F9BBFEE348588 GnuPG: https://krosos.org/dist/keys/ https://www.infotropique.org https://www.krosos.org [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 833 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: Thunderbird [not found] ` <19fee2b9.AEEAQKqUR8QAAAAAAAAAAAOu6r8AAAACwQwAAAAAAAW9WABZtiwD@mailjet.com> @ 2017-09-11 9:36 ` Catonano 2017-09-11 17:26 ` Thunderbird Arun Isaac 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Catonano @ 2017-09-11 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arun Isaac; +Cc: guix-devel [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 673 bytes --] 2017-09-11 8:23 GMT+02:00 Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>: > > > I was wondering if anyone would work on Astroid mail > > https://astroidmail.github.io/ > > > > It seems simpler to package than Thunderbird and it could be extremely > > useful in the short/medium term > > Astroid requires external programs like mpop or offlineimap to fetch > mail. So it cannot quite replace Thunderbird for the casual mail > user. What about the not so casual email user ? ;-) Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both > claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. > I didn t know In my view, those make the Thunderbird case even more desperate ;-) [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1441 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Thunderbird 2017-09-11 9:36 ` Thunderbird Catonano @ 2017-09-11 17:26 ` Arun Isaac 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Arun Isaac @ 2017-09-11 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Catonano; +Cc: guix-devel > Perhaps, claws-mail or blasa are better alternatives. Both >> claws-mail and balsa are already packaged for Guix. >> > I didn t know I'm not saying we shouldn't package astroid mail. Just making an observation... > In my view, those make the Thunderbird case even more desperate ;-) Like ng0 said, no one is going to embrace the task of getting Thunderbird into Guix with joy. :-P ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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