From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: Idea: 'ethical hosting' [formerly mailman service (free for FOSS projects)] Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 04:39:51 +0000 Message-ID: <20170419043951.GA24028@mail.thebird.nl> References: <20170418102336.GA19486@mail.thebird.nl> <20170418111814.xouioj2dron7woqg@abyayala> <20170418175926.GA21415@mail.thebird.nl> <58F67363.8030202@goebel-consult.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58818) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0hPU-00082E-Ov for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:40:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0hPR-0004wS-Md for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:40:08 -0400 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([95.154.246.10]:43501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d0hPR-0004va-Gh for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:40:05 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <58F67363.8030202@goebel-consult.de> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Hartmut Goebel Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:13:23PM +0200, Hartmut Goebel wrote: > Am 18.04.2017 um 19:59 schrieb Pjotr Prins: > > there is actually a business case for something like ethical hosting. >=20 > I also see some demand for ethical hosting, esp. for collaboration > services like mailman, chat, file-share, a simple web-site, etc. I get > questions about this quite often. But most times the people are neither > capable to setup and maintain a server at all =E2=80=93 or they don't w= ant to > spend the money. We provide the actual images for free, so they could start up anywhere. > E.g. at 1blu.de you can get a vServer with Plesk admin interface for 8 = =E2=82=AC > per month. This includes KVM virtualization (or virtuozzo if you > prefer), a web-mailer, mailinglists via plesk (mailman in the > background) and a domain. >=20 > So I don't see a business case here :-( Heh. It is actually proof that there is a business there, otherwise they would not do it. The underlying VPS costs 3/m, so their markup is 5/m. And that is without any monitoring or tuning - just a simple installation. For a 2-person business you need about 10K/m. So you can compute how many clients we need. And taking over a company mail server with webmail and mailman, I am sure we can ask 5-10K per year.=20 You can grow in either direction. Main problem is starting up as it needs some investment. Pj.