On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 01:56:04PM +0100, David Craven wrote: > I think if you posit a free software project that works in the way you > describe ("on its own"), it would work very much like Guile works > right now. An operating system has to work on all hardware. Asking people to buy a RYF approved device to run guixsd is no different than apple requiring you to buy an apple computer to run mac os x. Turning guixsd into an embedded system for RYF devices is not something I want to spend time and effort on. I can't with good conscience recommend to people to buy a usb wifi adapter to use guixsd when I believe they have much larger privacy issues in their devices. So far as I'm aware, nobody has ever said that Guix may not run on devices which are not RYF approved. I have indeed run it quite sucessfully on devices which are not. To be comfortable contributing to a free project I need to know that people are able to do whatever THEY want, with those contributions, and not what the FSF wants. I agree. And I think that both Guix and the FSF has been very carefull not to impose any usage restrictions on users. (there have been calls to add restrictions forbidding use by military/nuclear/extremist-political groups but those have been definitively rejected.) With the single exception of preventing a third party doing whatever they want, people ARE able to do with it whatever they want. Is it this exception you are concerned about or somthing else? -- Avoid eavesdropping. Send strong encrypted email. PGP Public key ID: 1024D/2DE827B3 fingerprint = 8797 A26D 0854 2EAB 0285 A290 8A67 719C 2DE8 27B3 See http://sks-keyservers.net or any PGP keyserver for public key.