From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add openttd Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:23:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20160412182332.GA3241@jasmine> References: <570C2836.7030100@fripost.org> <20160412010929.GA22784@jasmine> <570D0C58.5050905@fripost.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aq2y3-0000re-EX for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:23:17 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aq2y0-00066F-63 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:23:15 -0400 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:51116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aq2xz-00066A-VQ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:23:12 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <570D0C58.5050905@fripost.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Albin Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 04:55:20PM +0200, Albin wrote: > Thank you Leo for taking the time to inspect and install the package. Thanks for taking the time to work on it :) > Den 2016-04-12 kl. 03:09, skrev Leo Famulari: > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 12:41:58AM +0200, Albin wrote: > >> + ;; GNU's not Unix so let's modify the exit dialog. > >> + (substitute* (find-files "src/lang/" "\\.txt") > >> + ((":Unix") ":GNU")))))) > > > > I don't think this is necessary. > > Maybe not. I just wanted to exercise my freedom a little. The above > snippet lets you see this dialog box: > > "Are you sure you want to exit OpenTTD and return to GNU" ...instead of > "...Unix", which I thought would make the Guix users happy. It did make me smile :) I appreciate the motivation behind this change very much. > It works for 54 language versions, but not Arabic, Esperanto, Hebrew and > Urdu where "Unix" is called something else. > > I'm not going to insist on keeping it, but remember that the "Words to > avoid" article (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html) > states: "To call the whole system 'Linux' is both unfair and confusing." > Isn't it likewise wrong to call "GNU" "Unix"? I'm open to a wider discussion, but I don't think we should patch upstream code unless it's to fix bugs. Plus, I personally think it should say "return to Debian", since that's what my workstation is running ;) > > I see this option in `./configure --help`: > > > > --with-liblzo2[=liblzo2.a] enables liblzo2 support > > Nice! > > > Does it work to provide the path to that option? Our lzo package does > > build a static library, if that is what OpenTTD requires. > > Yes, I could make it work by first installing 'lzo' and then add > `--with-liblzo2=/gnu/store/[...]/liblzo2.a` to the package definition. > What is the proper way to do this? There's a clear example in the package definition of 'apl'. Basically, make 'lzo' an input, and then build a string like this...: (string-append "--with-liblzo2= (assoc-ref %build-inputs "lzo") "/lib/liblzo2.a") ... and pass that as an argument to ./configure. You typically get a useful error message from ./configure if there's a mistake. > >> + ;; The software contains an in-game downloader from which the user > >> + ;; may find non-functional data licensed under different terms. > > > > I don't know the significance of this. Hopefully somebody else will > > comment on this subject. > > > > Upon starting the program, I was prompted to download something related > > to graphics. I agreed, and the game seemed to download OpenGFX [0] and > > launch correctly, although it also warned me about needed to download > > some sound files. > > Yes, it's not ideal that you are immediately prompted to download and > install something like this. As you said, the package that gets > installed when you agree is OpenGFX (8 MiB). It has the same license as > the game itself, i.e. GPLv2, just like the other available graphics sets > "NightGFX" (3.4 MiB) and "zBase" (273 MiB). > > The music files that you can download are: > > * Modern Motion (music): CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 > * OpenMSX: GPLv2 > * Scott Joplin Anthology: public domain > * Traditional Winter Holiday Music: public domain > > For sound effects only one package is currently available: > > * OpenSFX: CC Sampling Plus 1.0 > > > I can understand that packages that restrict commercial redistribution > may not be included in Guix, but the FSDG doesn't discuss the particular > case of packages that *recommend* non-free, non-functional data where > only non-commercial redistribution is permitted. > > How does other free distros deal with this? The Arch project > distributes openttd, openttd-opengfx and openttd-opensfx as separate > packages (where the package manager recommends the latter two upon > installation of openttd). Parabola does the same, but removes > openttd-opensfx from their repository. You can still download the sound > effects afterwards however. > > Do you think we should follow Parabola in this case or take a different > approach? I don't know the details of how we are supposed to handle these issues. I'll let more knowledgeable people have this discussion.