guix package -u --no-substitutes

guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Danny Milosavljevic]

Hi,

I've been having problems doing

  $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u

lately. I get

>guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"

.

When I try

  $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u --no-substitutes

it doesn't try to update anything (and exit code is 0).

Weird...

Same for

  $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u --fallback

it doesn't try to update anything (and exit code is 0).

Trying

  $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u

makes it download a random package of the to-be-downloaded list and then it tries texlive and fails...

The to-be-downloaded list would be

   /gnu/store/4364r3pa8xf4s8d8yl0wyb8lsbbbkbf7-wv-1.2.4.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/yck62fapjqrck7zq07lir5plsjqnay2m-zenity-3.18.1.1.tar.xz
   /gnu/store/ryj6qfp0ksnj3b5ad6nk38bal2x2lbh8-xev-1.2.2.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/hfw0wxr122ag05x8nrnhkznaayls6lb1-xmodmap-1.0.9.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/m4gwxr4qbnasqz5acm7nsna7b2hdznqw-xdpyinfo-1.3.2.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/x3s4bbarwnhfiryqfkm6amakxbf27wsx-wxWidgets-3.0.2.tar.bz2 <--- right now it's downloading this one first
   /gnu/store/sr7izwwc2bzp46mwb054j53pddfkaahp-vamp-plugin-sdk-2.6.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/8g5wx0yc1y0gz5ajkhs58jm4nh03mq38-wxGTK-2.8.12.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz <-- and then it tries this one
   /gnu/store/bh52wcvfqcvyxdr3as66mywqrwg39gzz-wxmaxima-15.04.0.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/drwk4nk2mk7xfzw9dvc8xw93w8a6qdih-xwd-1.0.6.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/fmka91y1p1165597jgws9kn3byhnb6xj-xdg-utils-1.0.2.tgz
   /gnu/store/v95p5wgwrlslnfaspi1z6hqwla3445y3-xset-1.2.3.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/4ad2r7zgfghvx5lqzlwzbabg11zd6zfw-xprop-1.2.2.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/3jl9mwihmcdmwqdqhypdm8i4g2piqr1v-xkill-1.0.4.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/y7pzhrbybh4shrxrpza6da4ifzz75sfi-xf86-input-wacom-0.29.0.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/96s1kbmhirhxqyca96mrfxdaddh6xh8d-zziplib-0.13.62.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/zmp8l0qjq3164sfqjpwws2zwz725xfrf-vpnc-0.5.3.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/768yw94dwznsivx0cnwm8mkd3lfqqwih-waf-1.8.8.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/kw7xyn99dyrcrcb68qhz189gx68igddi-xf86driproto-2.1.1.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/grcy0q8mj9n19j9m0m1fwxrd92mxspdg-xcb-util-renderutil-0.3.9.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/fy9v9m18qp3wavr1k3l70rsb0wqf132l-xcb-util-image-0.4.0.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/fq2r7jz70r3hs0iw3k6wzq9v7nsjlrgl-xcb-util-wm-0.4.1.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/96fbfjvkgw2ngnf6889cbhgr017bm5wc-wisp-0.9.0.tar.gz
   /gnu/store/4rjmgbghslbqkdqiqh0dy8mcyc1lwrwf-xf86dgaproto-2.1.tar.bz2
   /gnu/store/z3r35lpqq8z0kml40hcwjsdcgig7v1an-wheel-0.29.0.tar.gz

right now.

Re: guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Leo Famulari]

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 10:05:29PM +0200, Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been having problems doing
> 
>   $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u
> 
> lately. I get
> 
> >guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"
> 
> .
> 
> When I try
> 
>   $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u --no-substitutes

Try this:

$ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u . --no-substitutes

The '.' is a regex.

Re: guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 04:23:19PM -0400, Leo Famulari wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 10:05:29PM +0200, Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've been having problems doing
> > 
> >   $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u
> > 
> > lately. I get
> > 
> > >guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"
> > 
> > .
> > 
> > When I try
> > 
> >   $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u --no-substitutes
> 
> Try this:
> 
> $ ./pre-inst-env guix package -u . --no-substitutes
> 
> The '.' is a regex.
> 

I've also found putting the `-u` last helps, so I run it as
./pre-inst-env guix package --no-substitutes/--fallack -u

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Re: guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Ludovic Courtès]

Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:

>>guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"

This is because we’ve decided to stop distributing texlive-texmf (4 GiB)
from Hydra; it’s just too much, at least for now.

You need to use --fallback (or --no-substitutes) to get it.

See Leo’s and Efraim’s messages for the rest.  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 11:27:01PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:
> 
> >>guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"
> 
> This is because we’ve decided to stop distributing texlive-texmf (4 GiB)
> from Hydra; it’s just too much, at least for now.
> 
> You need to use --fallback (or --no-substitutes) to get it.
> 
> See Leo’s and Efraim’s messages for the rest.  :-)
> 
> Ludo’.
> 

Do we want to tag it `#:build-locally? #t` or `#:substitutable? #f`
then?

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Re: guix package -u --no-substitutes

[Leo Famulari]

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:31:47AM +0300, Efraim Flashner wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 11:27:01PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> > Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:
> > 
> > >>guix substitute: error: download from 'http://hydra.gnu.org/nar/36wqhbch45x055wj6gfsng00zkwfqg6n-texlive-20150523-texmf.tar.xz' failed: 503, "Service Temporarily Unavailable"
> > 
> > This is because we’ve decided to stop distributing texlive-texmf (4 GiB)
> > from Hydra; it’s just too much, at least for now.
> > 
> > You need to use --fallback (or --no-substitutes) to get it.
> > 
> > See Leo’s and Efraim’s messages for the rest.  :-)
> > 
> > Ludo’.
> > 
> 
> Do we want to tag it `#:build-locally? #t` or `#:substitutable? #f`
> then?

I don't like the current situation, where building libreoffice (among
others) requires --fallback unless texlive-texmf is already in the
store.

About #:local-build, the manual [0] says:

"When local-build? is true, declare that the derivation is not a good
candidate for offloading and should rather be built locally (see Daemon
Offload Setup). This is the case for small derivations where the costs
of data transfers would outweigh the benefits."

I think it's orthogonal to substituting binaries. Some discussion: 
https://bugs.gnu.org/18747

The manual [0] says about #:substitutable?:

"When substitutable? is false, declare that substitutes of the
derivation’s output should not be used (see Substitutes). This is
useful, for instance, when building packages that capture details of the
host CPU instruction set."

Some people are using their own servers and it could make sense for them
to substitute texlive-texmf if they have fast I/O and networking. But it
might not make a big difference to them in practice.

[0]
https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/manual/guix.html#Derivations