On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 01:02:15PM +0200, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: There is nothing in the current coc which I particularly disagree with - all the examples of unacceptable conduct I personally consider unacceptable in all walks of life. Unfortunately, ???be excellent to each other??? is not a CoC, and it's often an excuse not to have one. I can think of two much better "excuses" : The first is: What hurts me when somebody shoves a "code-of-conduct" in my face, is the veiled suggestion that lies behind it. Viz: "You might be a person who habitually uses sexually explicit language, insults people, harrasses others, assaults people, ... murders them ..." Of course, on a literal level this suggestion is correct, for a person who has never met me, for all they know I might be a person who does those things. But why accuse a person of those things on the first introduction? The second is: By having an explicit coc, the explicit message is "Examples of unacceptable behavior by participants include ..." The implicit message which is a logical consequence is: "... and we anticipate or have already experienced such behaviour by participants." When I invite someone to my home for coffee, I do have a "code of conduct" I expect my guests to be resonably polite, not to insult me, not to vandalise my home, fart in my face and lots of other things. But I this "code of conduct" is implicit. I don't write it down. I don't ask my guests to agree to it before they enter my home - if I did I would not be suprised if the very suggestion would cause them to be extremely offended. I would not blame them if they excused themselves and departed without delay. Likewise I think these "codes of conduct" in community projects do not have the effect of welcoming people. They have the opposite effect. So lets HAVE a code of conduct. But let's not have a written one. Let's be open and inviting. If somebody does come in and start harassing/insulting/sexually assaulting/ people (which I think unlikely) we'll uninvite them. J' -- Avoid eavesdropping. Send strong encryted email. PGP Public key ID: 1024D/2DE827B3 fingerprint = 8797 A26D 0854 2EAB 0285 A290 8A67 719C 2DE8 27B3 See http://sks-keyservers.net or any PGP keyserver for public key.