From: Jookia <166291@gmail.com>
To: Jean Louis <guix@rcdrun.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 11:26:21 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160329002620.GB6484@jookia-eeepc.Home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160328215516.GA27719@protected.rcdrun.com>
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 11:55:16PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote:
> I am free software user. I don't want my children to find MAME on my
> computer. I have 3 children. They will be using free software
> distributions, with free software BIOS on free hardware.
>
> I don't want my children to find MAME on computer. I don't want them to
> search for software in GuixSD and find MAME, and later to find ROMs,
> which are non-free.
There's a lot worse things they could be searching for, such as nonfree video
games or Skype. Guix gives them the freedom to package and install what they
want, so I guess that solution here is to teach them about nonfree software.
> Including MAME or any other emulator, even though non-free as such, if
> such emulator is practically of no use to free software users without
> non-free additions or parts, firmware, blobs, or ROMs, is giving
> incentive to free software users to use non-free.
>
> Put yourself in the view point of free software user. What such user is
> going to do with WINE? What is he/she/it going to do practically with
> MAME? Nothing. They will have no use of that software. Single cases are
> exceptions. Exceptions may download it themselves, they don't need to
> get it delivered by free software distribution of GNU.
One could argue this about free clients for websites that use nonfree
Javascript. MAME is finally free software, and I imagine it could be used for
teaching how computers work in a controlled environment for one. I think it's
extremely dangerous for us to decide what use software is for other people.
> My username is jmarciano. Please see discussion here:
> https://gnunet.org/bot/log/guix/2016-03-28
While Dave sums up reality, I was surprised to learn of interesting uses that I
hadn't thought of:
> <paroneayea> about wine
> <paroneayea> I recently had a friend use Wine to run an old copy of Blender
> <paroneayea> which is free software
> <paroneayea> because he couldn't get the ancient version of blender
> to load in any modern gnu/linux distro
I was even more surprised that MAME *is used for educational purposes* without
any ROMs at all:
> <rain1> MAME's purpose is to preserve decades of software history. As
> electronic technology continues to rush forward, MAME prevents this
> important \"vintage\" software from being lost and forgotten. This is
> achieved by documenting the hardware and how it functions. The source
> code to MAME serves as this documentation
This also makes me wonder whether it'd be interesting to include free ROMs, like
Unix for the PDP-11.
> I cannot believe that MAME and WINE and such emulators are to be
> included in free software distributions. MAME clearly gives incentive to
> use non-free software.
Wine is probably one of the most important pieces of software we have for
liberating software. For instance, I can take free software that only runs on
Windows that's too hard to immediately port to GNU/Linux and run it, or begin a
transitional porting effort using Winelib.
Furthermore, this could be vital to running programs needed to bootstrap old
tools in the future, which Chris Webber alluded to.
> I am asking you to review and correct if possible, the inclusion of
> packages such as: WINE and MAME into GNU distribution GuixSD.
>
> Everybody can download WINE and MAME onto their computers. There may be
> legitimate reasons to use such software, but what about practical
> results?
How about we don't worry about what people can use software for but rather what
the software is? I have a feeling this email isn't going to satisfy you at all,
so I think the solution is to not use GuixSD or any system that gives people
freedom to run whatever software they want for whatever purpose they want.
> Jean Louis
Jookia.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-29 0:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-28 21:55 MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software Jean Louis
2016-03-29 0:26 ` Jookia [this message]
2016-03-29 4:42 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 6:27 ` Jookia
2016-03-29 7:30 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 8:25 ` Jookia
2016-03-29 11:35 ` rain1
2016-03-29 12:00 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 12:48 ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29 14:23 ` Mathieu Lirzin
2016-03-29 14:52 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 16:15 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 17:29 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 17:47 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 12:41 ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29 1:44 ` Mark H Weaver
2016-03-29 13:03 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 17:30 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-29 17:32 ` Thompson, David
2016-03-29 17:37 ` Eric Bavier
2016-03-30 20:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 8:58 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2016-03-29 10:12 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 13:14 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-03-29 13:51 ` Jean Louis
2016-03-29 16:09 ` Ludovic Courtès
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-29 14:01 Jean Louis
2016-03-29 14:46 ` Nils Gillmann
2016-03-29 16:31 alírio eyng
2016-03-30 22:30 ` Isaac David
2016-04-02 3:17 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-03-31 22:50 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-01 6:23 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2016-04-01 12:15 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-01 20:03 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-02 2:19 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-02 8:48 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " alírio eyng
2016-04-03 14:20 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 18:36 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 19:39 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-03 21:02 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-03 21:22 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 3:26 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-04 11:19 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:23 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-04 22:47 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:58 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-04 22:59 ` Felipe Sanches
2016-04-05 2:29 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-09 9:00 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-09 19:43 ` alírio eyng
2016-04-05 15:59 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2016-04-06 11:02 ` alírio eyng
2016-03-30 4:10 IngeGNUe
2016-03-30 16:11 ` Mark H Weaver
2016-03-30 21:26 ` IngeGNUe
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