From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: guixsd offline installation media Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 14:08:26 +0200 Message-ID: <20151220140826.4538c50b@debian-netbook> References: <87egekg0k8.fsf@gnu.org> <20151218091914.GA28992@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="Sig_/BMOxbzJ0c1LVyHBR+y3_0rp"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44217) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAcmz-00047D-HW for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:08:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAcmw-0004h1-9K for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:08:37 -0500 Received: from flashner.co.il ([178.62.234.194]:55054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aAcmw-0004gx-2m for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 07:08:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20151218091914.GA28992@thebird.nl> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Dika Setya Prayogi --Sig_/BMOxbzJ0c1LVyHBR+y3_0rp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:19:14 +0100 Pjotr Prins wrote: > If you are on a slow connection (and 90% of the world IS on a slow > connection) downloads are a problem. I am in Africa now. Guix > pull is one problem - I accidentily did that and now I can't do > anything because it wants to fetch a complete rebuilt Guix. But also=20 > installing by package is problematic, though I appreciate that > Guix does not load things twice (well, actually it does when a > transaction gets interrupted or fails - we could avoid that by caching > intermediate source tar balls and binary downloads, really no reason > not to since they have hashes too). >=20 > Similar to the minimal tar-ball release we could provide a bare-bones, > desktop, desktop for developers, and 'sumo' release quite easily and > seed those with torrents. I think. It would also make sense to sell > DVD's or USB's with Guix installed. Maybe a little side-business for > the FSF? >=20 > Pretty much what Debian does. >=20 > Even though Guix is a rolling update distribution, tar-ball installs > make sense. >=20 > Pj. >=20 I was going to make jokes about apt-cd and the years of issues that's caused people with fresh debian installs, but all we should need to do is populate /gnu/store with either/both precompiled binaries/source files. If/when substitutes fails, the files are already there. As an aside, I don't think targeting DVD size is a good idea, but maybe 4GB/8GB for usb sticks shouldn't be bad. Also if we had a torrent it would = be easier to not rely directly on hydra for starting up. Also its an easy way = to donate bandwidth without setting up a hydra clone. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --Sig_/BMOxbzJ0c1LVyHBR+y3_0rp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWdpo6AAoJEPTB05F+rO6T8BsP/1yYDDE9PKUHqmMBQwL7NyCU oPoT7G2UoZ3hty4it2wzk82CeIgsy8BLJyx37P5cILnewIcv/NCedm8Dij50ZGiM LHSCweoEZWOoGR3FI796oDCUjEdrrYuMfPetek8nZJMTAXu9gs9m68J9SDYJRAXv 5mpnkkcTSMNleOi9Kqs0wfP+xnESdcKM5kpsuGQUoRkRW8jRb4zM3Fq54HInMb6P YlBoGQxteEfB+jhULDQh1SKQ0dybj/zOm6Q2sCa87y8PSezqJxsWJA1/dOI4bYhi IRuSaVo3nCRNU/hPyyn4hU9zKZ1SIjp9Bcd7HPwjHzFYPXwlH98CkeGKeHwrjQPP uR/p/4qYsCizmgf9INoRaD6w2PuijH1aQckuvXEgLgJLlNa5KtG8mspkDO63vEwc +Q/aMl034LCmakQd6JN3DPxEYYlFxjl9dRjq1wHvF2DtI0Kjb/uPY9cLxKo+cfL6 NDJtSe+t4yKmxNRR5xCji7CKR8+wlD90v06qYnqf/A9zuJltERMcCB3bOzNrWi/n o4ppqa+H4QGd1zPgaOrBWDusR/FVxXT4KSwCG6d3ajBr0xDdFL5MYZ3uelXaO066 JwtR5RmdMdvTxGiSKJ//IFjcIypcKgfo5DqU+fyIaMeDSHhSutPoA2Y79TnO3jlY VpvHZZaGzjFBxpDcDxHn =sgfP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BMOxbzJ0c1LVyHBR+y3_0rp--