[ART] Website mockup rev1

[ART] Website mockup rev1

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

Hi,

Here is a revision of the last website mockup [1].

White header
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-white-rev1.png

Black header
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-black-rev1.png

Adam Pribyl commented, "The other thing is that the page design
outperforms the state of the distribution - sorry to say that, but while
page feel very user friendly, the distribution has a way to go..." [2]

I understand Adam's worry, but I think that a global message box could
be used to warn the readers:

http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/alpha-message.png

Or, instead of the global message box, the same message could be used in
the Download page.

What do you think?


[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00450.html
[2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00482.html


-- 
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro]

Em Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:28:49 -0500
Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> escreveu:

Luis, congratulations on your excellent artistic work!


> Black header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-black-rev1.png

I really like dark backgrounds. :-P


I have an idea to contribute: I think that being developed by the GNU
project is mainly what sets GuixSD apart from all other distributions
of the GNU system.  However, I couldn't find any reference to the GNU
project on that web page.  I suggest making an explicit and objective
reference to it possibly changing the first description item from:

 "- is an advanced distribution of the GNU Operating System."

to

 "- is an advanced distribution of the GNU Operating System developed
 by the GNU project."

where "GNU project" is an hyperlink to gnu.org.


Thanks for your work!


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Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

El mié, 18-02-2015 a las 11:25 -0200, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
escribió:
> Em Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:28:49 -0500
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> escreveu:
> 
> Luis, congratulations on your excellent artistic work!
> 

Thanks, Bruno :)

> > Black header
> > http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-black-rev1.png
> 
> I really like dark backgrounds. :-P
> 
> 
> I have an idea to contribute: I think that being developed by the GNU
> project is mainly what sets GuixSD apart from all other distributions
> of the GNU system.  However, I couldn't find any reference to the GNU
> project on that web page.  I suggest making an explicit and objective
> reference to it possibly changing the first description item from:
> 
>  "- is an advanced distribution of the GNU Operating System."
> 
> to
> 
>  "- is an advanced distribution of the GNU Operating System developed
>  by the GNU project."
> 
> where "GNU project" is an hyperlink to gnu.org.

Yes, I agree.

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Amirouche Boubekki]

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On Wed Feb 18 2015 at 12:29:43 AM Luis Felipe López Acevedo <
felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here is a revision of the last website mockup [1].
>
> White header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-
> view-white-rev1.png


+1


> Black header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-
> view-black-rev1.png
>
> Adam Pribyl commented, "The other thing is that the page design
> outperforms the state of the distribution - sorry to say that, but while
> page feel very user friendly, the distribution has a way to go..." [2]
>
> I understand Adam's worry, but I think that a global message box could
> be used to warn the readers:
>
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/alpha-message.png
>
> Or, instead of the global message box, the same message could be used in
> the Download page.


> What do you think?
>

I'm not sure.

+ Alpha software is alpha software and should be understood as such.

+ The message blend nicely with the page and also invite the user to join
the project, so it can be a better option than alpha alone which can be
understood as it's fully broken, with no support and it will delete all
your data including connected usb devices...


 Thanks.


>
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00450.html
> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00482.html
>
>
> --
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/
>
>
>
>

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Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

El mié, 18-02-2015 a las 14:41 +0000, Amirouche Boubekki escribió:
> 
> On Wed Feb 18 2015 at 12:29:43 AM Luis Felipe López Acevedo 
>         
>         I understand Adam's worry, but I think that a global message
>         box could
>         be used to warn the readers:
>         
>         http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/alpha-message.png
>         
>         Or, instead of the global message box, the same message could
>         be used in
>         the Download page.
>         
>         What do you think?
> 
> 
> I'm not sure.
> 
> 
> + Alpha software is alpha software and should be understood as such. 
> 
> 
> + The message blend nicely with the page and also invite the user to
> join the project, so it can be a better option than alpha alone which
> can be understood as it's fully broken, with no support and it will
> delete all your data including connected usb devices...
> 

OK. And not everybody knows what alpha means... So it seems the message
is more useful.

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Daniel Pimentel]

On 2015-02-17 20:28, Luis Felipe López Acevedo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here is a revision of the last website mockup [1].
> 
> White header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-white-rev1.png
> 
> Black header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-black-rev1.png
> 
> Adam Pribyl commented, "The other thing is that the page design
> outperforms the state of the distribution - sorry to say that, but 
> while
> page feel very user friendly, the distribution has a way to go..." [2]
> 
> I understand Adam's worry, but I think that a global message box could
> be used to warn the readers:
> 
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/alpha-message.png
> 
> Or, instead of the global message box, the same message could be used 
> in
> the Download page.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> 
> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00450.html
> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-02/msg00482.html
Congratulation Luiz, beautiful design :)
-- 
Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

El mié, 18-02-2015 a las 17:05 -0300, Daniel Pimentel escribió:
> Congratulation Luiz, beautiful design :)

Thank you, Daniel. Glad you like it :)

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Andreas Enge]

Hello,

as we are getting used to now, this is really impressive work!

I think we should give some more thought (and I do not have answers ready to
these questions) on which information we want to emphasise. As Adam, I think
it might be a bit premature to start with a download button, as clearly we
are not in a state where people download, boot a life system, and go ahead.
Personally, I think we should start with documentation, so people know where
they are heading; unfortunately, I realise that this might fit very poorly
with the nice graphic design that is based on the download button. Maybe the
first item could be a short description at least, with a link to more
comprehensive documentation. Or this could be integrated into the catch lines
above the download button, with orange links to documentation?

Concerning screenshots, I am a bit doubtful; in the end, we look more or less
like any other GNU/Linux distribution, so maybe they could come a little
bit later?

News and chat are nice to have, as well as the latest git commits.
For the chat, we should also give the #guix channel name on freenode and not
only the webchat.

What is missing are the mailing lists and the bug tracker. I think both are
important points where we encourage people to participate, so there should
be buttons to subscribe, a link to the bug tracker, and a button (?) to
submit a bug (maybe using the "mailto"-pseudo-url). If you think it is
useful, these could also be dynamic contents (with the latest open mailing
list threads, or the latest closed bugs, or something like that).

Any more ideas or reactions?

Thanks again for all this amazing work,

Andreas

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Mark H Weaver]

Hi Luis,

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
> Here is a revision of the last website mockup [1].
>
> White header
> http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-white-rev1.png

The design is beautiful, but at this stage in our development, I think
it targets the wrong audience.  It will probably be at least a few years
before we can target the "Average Jane", and we shouldn't try anytime
soon.

For example, it would be a tremendous drain on us to draw a bunch of
people to our IRC channel who may not even be able to start their own
IRC client software.  At this stage, forcing users to run their own IRC
client is a helpful barrier to entry that we should not try to overcome
with an easy web interface.

Also, you have replaced "Dependendable, Hackable, and Liberating" with
"Libre, gratis, secure, and malleable".  I prefer the words we emphasize
on our current web page.  Ludovic has given several talks and had many
discussions with other GNU hackers, and settled on the words he chose,
and the language used to describe them, based on his experiences.  For
the audience we currently need to attract, I think that we should stick
with his language.

So, for now I think that our page should be aimed at skilled developers
and sysadmins, and so instead of headlining things like clip art of a
computer monitor, we should instead headline the unusual technical
features that we offer, with links to the best documentation, papers and
talks where they can find out more, and with information on how to get
involved without trying to lower the barriers to entry more than is
appropriate.

Does that make sense?

That said, our current web page could definitely use graphic redesign
and reorganization of its content, and I think you would be a great
person to help with that, if you can do so while retaining its technical
focus.

Thanks again for all of your help.  We are fortunate to have such a
talented artist helping :)

      Mark

Re: [ART] Website mockup rev1

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

El jue, 19-02-2015 a las 14:27 -0500, Mark H Weaver escribió:
> Hi Luis,
> 
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
> > Here is a revision of the last website mockup [1].
> >
> > White header
> > http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/static/temp/img/guixsd/home-view-white-rev1.png
> 
> The design is beautiful, but at this stage in our development, I think
> it targets the wrong audience.  It will probably be at least a few years
> before we can target the "Average Jane", and we shouldn't try anytime
> soon.

Years? I was was overly optimistic then :P

> For example, it would be a tremendous drain on us to draw a bunch of
> people to our IRC channel who may not even be able to start their own
> IRC client software.  At this stage, forcing users to run their own IRC
> client is a helpful barrier to entry that we should not try to overcome
> with an easy web interface.
> 
> Also, you have replaced "Dependendable, Hackable, and Liberating" with
> "Libre, gratis, secure, and malleable".  I prefer the words we emphasize
> on our current web page.  Ludovic has given several talks and had many
> discussions with other GNU hackers, and settled on the words he chose,
> and the language used to describe them, based on his experiences.  For
> the audience we currently need to attract, I think that we should stick
> with his language.
> 
> So, for now I think that our page should be aimed at skilled developers
> and sysadmins, and so instead of headlining things like clip art of a
> computer monitor, we should instead headline the unusual technical
> features that we offer, with links to the best documentation, papers and
> talks where they can find out more, and with information on how to get
> involved without trying to lower the barriers to entry more than is
> appropriate.
> 
> Does that make sense?

It does make sense :)

> That said, our current web page could definitely use graphic redesign
> and reorganization of its content, and I think you would be a great
> person to help with that, if you can do so while retaining its technical
> focus.
> 

I would like to adjust the current mockup then to fit the
devs-and-sysadmin target audience. For example, replacing the monitor
with a recent FOSDEM video, and adding the other, and more appropriate,
wording and content, indicated by Andreas Enge and you.

Also, I'm assuming the GuixSD website is going to be available at a
different place than <http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/>. For example,
<http://guixsd.gnu.org/>, but if that is not possible for now, I think I
can try doing something in the current GNU Guix page anyway.

> Thanks again for all of your help.  We are fortunate to have such a
> talented artist helping :)
> 
>       Mark

Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to help :)