[PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Alex Kost]

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This font may be useful for resolving some symbols (like  🐼, 😻) in Emacs.

I don't know what license should be used, as the only mention about the
license is the following note from <http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/>:

«In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
redistributed.»

Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?


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From 42e291f301925f766436570fa8efabde51ef89a2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:36:33 +0400
Subject: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

* gnu/packages/fonts.scm (ttf-symbola): New variable.
---
 gnu/packages/fonts.scm | 51 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 51 insertions(+)

diff --git a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
index 7c95666..188f7b0 100644
--- a/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
+++ b/gnu/packages/fonts.scm
@@ -2,6 +2,7 @@
 ;;; Copyright © 2013 Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org>
 ;;; Copyright © 2014 Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
 ;;; Copyright © 2014 Guy Grant <tadnimi@gnu.org>
+;;; Copyright © 2014 Alex Kost <alezost@gmail.com>
 ;;;
 ;;; This file is part of GNU Guix.
 ;;;
@@ -26,6 +27,7 @@
   #:use-module (guix build-system trivial)
   #:use-module ((gnu packages base)
                 #:select (tar))
+  #:use-module (gnu packages zip)
   #:use-module (gnu packages compression)
   #:use-module (gnu packages perl)
   #:use-module (gnu packages xorg)
@@ -240,3 +242,52 @@ for long (8 and more hours per day) work with computers.")
     (license
      (license:x11-style
       "http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=OFL_web"))))
+
+(define-public ttf-symbola
+  (package
+    (name "ttf-symbola")
+    (version "7.17")
+    (source (origin
+              (method url-fetch)
+              (uri "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola.zip")
+              (sha256
+               (base32
+                "19q5wcqk1rz8ps7jvvx1rai6x8ais79z71sm8d36hvsk2vr135al"))))
+    (build-system trivial-build-system)
+    (arguments
+     `(#:modules ((guix build utils))
+       #:builder
+       (begin
+         (use-modules (guix build utils))
+
+         (let ((unzip    (string-append (assoc-ref %build-inputs "unzip")
+                                        "/bin/unzip"))
+               (font-dir (string-append %output "/share/fonts/truetype"))
+               (doc-dir  (string-append %output "/share/doc/" ,name)))
+           (system* unzip (assoc-ref %build-inputs "source"))
+           (mkdir-p font-dir)
+           (mkdir-p doc-dir)
+           (for-each (lambda (ttf)
+                       (copy-file ttf
+                                  (string-append font-dir "/"
+                                                 (basename ttf))))
+                     (find-files "." "\\.ttf$"))
+           (for-each (lambda (doc)
+                       (copy-file doc
+                                  (string-append doc-dir "/"
+                                                 (basename doc))))
+                     (find-files "." "\\.docx$|\\.htm$"))))))
+    (native-inputs
+     `(("source" ,source)
+       ("unzip" ,unzip)))
+    (home-page "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/")
+    (synopsis "Font with many Unicode symbols")
+    (description
+     "Symbola is a TrueType font providing basic Latin, Greek, Cyrillic and many
+Symbol blocks of Unicode.")
+    (license
+     (license:fsf-free
+      "http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/"
+      "In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
+they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
+redistributed."))))
-- 
2.1.2

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Andreas Enge]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
> redistributed.»
> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?

To me, this sounds like "public-domain".

Andreas

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Eric Bavier]

Andreas Enge writes:

> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
>> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
>> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
>> redistributed.»
>> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
>
> To me, this sounds like "public-domain".

I was thinking the same.

-- 
Eric Bavier

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ian Denhardt]

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Quoting Eric Bavier (2014-10-23 10:14:02)
> 
> Andreas Enge writes:
> 
> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
> >> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
> >> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
> >> redistributed.»
> >> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
> >
> > To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
> 
> I was thinking the same.

To me this sounds like "author does not understand licensing/copyright."
It's pretty obvious the intent is some kind of simple permissive thing
(whether that's a license or public domain), but it's not clear to me
how much legal ambiguity there is. IANAL, but for certain entities, the
ambiguity can be a problem (suppose, for example, you're a designer
wanting to use this font for something, but you work somewhere with a
strict legal department that doesn't think this qualifies as a license -
you may be out of luck).

You run into issues around certain packages, like sqlite-docs, where
they end up being technically non-free because the developers decide
"copyright is silly, I'm not going to deal with this." I sympathize,
but...

We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.

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Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Alex Kost]

Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:

> Quoting Eric Bavier (2014-10-23 10:14:02)
>>
>> Andreas Enge writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 08:51:04PM +0400, Alex Kost wrote:
>> >> «In lieu of a licence: Fonts in this site are offered free for any use;
>> >> they may be opened, edited, modified, regenerated, posted, packaged and
>> >> redistributed.»
>> >> Is it OK to use "fsf-free" for this package?
>> >
>> > To me, this sounds like "public-domain".
>>
>> I was thinking the same.
>
> To me this sounds like "author does not understand licensing/copyright."
> It's pretty obvious the intent is some kind of simple permissive thing
> (whether that's a license or public domain), but it's not clear to me
> how much legal ambiguity there is. IANAL, but for certain entities, the
> ambiguity can be a problem (suppose, for example, you're a designer
> wanting to use this font for something, but you work somewhere with a
> strict legal department that doesn't think this qualifies as a license -
> you may be out of luck).
>
> You run into issues around certain packages, like sqlite-docs, where
> they end up being technically non-free because the developers decide
> "copyright is silly, I'm not going to deal with this." I sympathize,
> but...
>
> We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
> about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
> developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.

According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>.  But I'm afraid I'm not
able to ask about it properly.

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ian Denhardt]

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Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
> 
> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>.  But I'm afraid I'm not
> able to ask about it properly.

I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.

-Ian

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Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Alex Kost]

Ian Denhardt (2014-10-24 10:52 +0400) wrote:

> Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
>> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
>> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
>> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
>> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
>> 
>> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
>> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>.  But I'm afraid I'm not
>> able to ask about it properly.
>
> I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.

Thanks!  And sorry for bothering.

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ludovic Courtès]

Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:

> Quoting Alex Kost (2014-10-24 02:11:53)
>> Ian Denhardt (2014-10-23 21:36 +0400) wrote:
>> > We ought to be careful about this one - maybe ask someone at the FSF
>> > about whether this meets their standards, and if not maybe ask the
>> > developer if they can put something less ambiguous on it.
>> 
>> According to <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html> such
>> questions may be asked at <licensing@fsf.org>.  But I'm afraid I'm not
>> able to ask about it properly.
>
> I'll bug them about it myself, and let you know what I hear.

Did you hear from them?

Alternately, people at gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org might have already
dealt with that?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ian Denhardt]

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Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> Did you hear from them?

Finally, yes. Here's the full response:

Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
> Thank you for contacting us about this, and I apologize we couldn't get
> back to you sooner.
> 
> > [ian@zenhack.net - Fri Oct 24 03:28:57 2014]:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > There's a patch that was recently submitted to the guix-devel[1] mailing
> > list which adds a package for the symbola[2] font, and there's some
> > question as to the licensing situation around it.
> > 
> > All we've found is the line at the bottom of that page:
> > 
> > >  In lieu of a licence
> > 
> > >     Fonts in this site are offered free for any use; they may be
> > >     installed, embedded, opened, edited, modified, regenerated,
> > >     posted, packaged and redistributed. George Douros
> > 
> > It's fairly obvious that the *intent* is for this to be free, but we're
> > concerned it may not qualify due to legal ambiguities (and the "in lieu
> > of a license" is not encouraging).
> > 
> > Is this in fact sufficient for it to be included in a free distribution?
> > If not, we'll likely try to contact the author to see if he's willing to
> > put something more suitable on it; is there a specific license
> > appropriate for fonts that would effectively formalize the statement
> > above (and fix the problem)?
> 
> It does seem clear that the author is looking to license the fonts
> freely, but the statement is a bit problematic as you saw. In the font
> world, much like in proprietary software, 'license' generally means a
> document that takes away a users rights and ensures that the copyright
> holder retains complete control over the work. It is likely that he just
> meant that the fonts were not under such restriction, but it would be
> nice to fix the issue. There's also the fact that the license is
> directed to fonts 'on this site'; so we would need to put something
> along with the fonts themselves to make sure that users understand what
> rights they are given.
> 
> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
> 
> Thanks again for contacting us about this issue.
> 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your advice,
> > 
> > -Ian
> > 
> > [1]: guix-devel@gnu.org
> > [2]: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
> > 
> > 
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D.
> Copyright & Licensing Associate
> Free Software Foundation
> 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor
> Boston, MA 02110, USA
> Phone +1-617-542-5942 
> Fax +1-617-542-2652
> 
> ---

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Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ludovic Courtès]

Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:

> Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
>> Did you hear from them?
>
> Finally, yes. Here's the full response:

Great, thanks.

> Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)

[...]

>> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
>> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
>> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
>> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
>> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
>> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
>> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them

It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather spend
a reasonable effort on it.

Ludo’.

Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola. [gnu.org #954922]

[Ian Denhardt]

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(sending this to both the fsf and the guix-devel mailing list)

Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
> 
> > Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> >> Did you hear from them?
> >
> > Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
> 
> Great, thanks.
> 
> > Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try and
> >> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> >> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however, there
> >> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would cover the
> >> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work with him
> >> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is worth
> >> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
> 
> It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather spend
> a reasonable effort on it.

Alright, I think we should contact him. My guess is he's not likely to
be very familiar with GNU/Linux or the Free Software community in
general (in addition to the licensing thing, the zip file contains
a .docx). I feel like if I draft a letter myself I'm likely to assume
too much knowledge.

Don, if the developers here agree, I'd appreciate it if you'd contact
the author, or perhaps draft a letter at least.

-Ian

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[gnu.org #954922] Vague "licensing" for the symbola font.

[Donald R Robertson III via RT]

> [ian@zenhack.net - Tue Nov 18 22:29:05 2014]:
> 
> (sending this to both the fsf and the guix-devel mailing list)
> 
> Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> > Ian Denhardt <ian@zenhack.net> skribis:
> >
> > > Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-13 15:15:37)
> > >> Did you hear from them?
> > >
> > > Finally, yes. Here's the full response:
> >
> > Great, thanks.
> >
> > > Quoting Donald R Robertson III (2014-11-11 10:57:53)
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >> The best course of action would be to contact the author to try
> and
> > >> clear up these issues. As you can see from our license list
> > >> <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Fonts>, however,
> there
> > >> isn't a font license that we could really recommend that would
> cover the
> > >> same ground as what the author has outlined. But we could work
> with him
> > >> to try and get a better licensing situation. If you think it is
> worth
> > >> pursuing, please let us know and we will contact them
> >
> > It’s probably worth pursuing, although I can imagine they’d rather
> spend
> > a reasonable effort on it.
> 
> Alright, I think we should contact him. My guess is he's not likely to
> be very familiar with GNU/Linux or the Free Software community in
> general (in addition to the licensing thing, the zip file contains
> a .docx). I feel like if I draft a letter myself I'm likely to assume
> too much knowledge.
> 
> Don, if the developers here agree, I'd appreciate it if you'd contact
> the author, or perhaps draft a letter at least.
> 
> -Ian

Just an update that I am in contact with the author, and we are working
on the issues. Thank you for your time.

> 
> 
-- 
Sincerely,

Donald R. Robertson, III, J.D.
Copyright & Licensing Associate
Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor
Boston, MA 02110, USA
Phone +1-617-542-5942 
Fax +1-617-542-2652

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Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ttf-symbola.

[Ian Denhardt]

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Quoting Ludovic Courtès (2014-11-16 16:09:33)
> ...

Just passing along an update from the FSF:

Quoting Donald R Robertson III via RT (2014-12-16 16:58:36)
> Just an update that I am in contact with the author, and we are 
> working on the issues. Thank you for your time.

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