Searchable archive at MARC?

Searchable archive at MARC?

[Hank Leininger]

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Hi folks,

I recently ran across Guix.  I help run the MARC mailing list archives
at https://marc.info/, and we don't currently carry any of the guix-*
lists.

Would there be any objection to the guix lists being added?  We don't do
the email-stripping, 'address@hidden' header & body munging, and
/mp/yyz.py lookup thing that the existing public archives at
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/ do - just some "lite" munging of From:
headers, but we are hands-off bodies so that we don't break patches,
PGP signatures, etc.  So, that may concern some people.

Of course, the public archives at ftp://lists.gnu.org/ don't do any of
that either, nor does the git web interface on savannah, so hopefully
the Guix community would be OK with searchable list archives at MARC.

(I just bulk-added the nix-devel list, which does have existing
completely open archives - it will take a while for MARC's indexer to
catch up.)

Thanks,

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Re: Searchable archive at MARC?

[Andreas Enge]

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 01:44:40AM -0400, Hank Leininger wrote:
> Would there be any objection to the guix lists being added?

I am not in favour of any external body hosting copies of our mailing list.
There is an archive at gnu, that is indexed by search engines, and I do not
see which problem an additional copy solves. I am not a lawyer, but I also
think it is illegal without the explicit permission of each and every poster,
who holds the copyright to their contribution.

Andreas

Re: Searchable archive at MARC?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr> skribis:

> On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 01:44:40AM -0400, Hank Leininger wrote:
>> Would there be any objection to the guix lists being added?
>
> I am not in favour of any external body hosting copies of our mailing list.
> There is an archive at gnu, that is indexed by search engines, and I do not
> see which problem an additional copy solves.

Given the subject of Hank’s message, I suppose MARC is more easily
searchable.  I personally don’t have anything against it, especially if
it makes people’s lives easier.

For the record, our lists are also mirrored at GMane:

  http://gmane.org/find.php?list=guix

> I am not a lawyer, but I also think it is illegal without the explicit
> permission of each and every poster, who holds the copyright to their
> contribution.

Well, in practice, when posting to an open (as opposed to
invitation-only) mailing list with a public archive, one implicitly
accepts the message to be visible by anyone, unless X-No-Archive or
similar is used.

My 2¢,
Ludo’.

Re: Searchable archive at MARC?

[Andreas Enge]

On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 03:08:21PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Well, in practice, when posting to an open (as opposed to
> invitation-only) mailing list with a public archive, one implicitly
> accepts the message to be visible by anyone, unless X-No-Archive or
> similar is used.

Yes, but not necessarily to be archived and retransmitted by anyone,
in an arbitrary context.

Andreas