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* A logo
@ 2013-01-08 22:05 Ludovic Courtès
  2013-01-09 13:05 ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-10  8:42 ` Andreas Enge
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-01-08 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

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Hello,

Attached is a proposed logo.  SVG available at
<http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/software/guix/guix-logo.svg> (browsers may
not display correctly, though, but Inkscape should.)

The black circled capital lambda is meant to suggest functional
programming and the battle for freedom.

Comments?  :-)

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-08 22:05 A logo Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-01-09 13:05 ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-10 22:48   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-01-10  8:42 ` Andreas Enge
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-01-09 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix


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> Comments?  :-)

I think that it needs some polishing, but I like the idea.  I suggest to
add a perspective (e.g., lambda can step out of the circle).

Also, could you convert it to curves?  This version will appear
differently depending on the installed fonts.

I'm attaching my version.  Basically, it's "NixOS reversed."  Lambdas
are free (i.e., not connected) and colors are warmer.

(You can use Inkscape to open the file.)

Nikita


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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-09 13:05 ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-01-10 22:48   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-01-16  2:48     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-30 15:51     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-01-10 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

> I think that it needs some polishing, but I like the idea.  I suggest to
> add a perspective (e.g., lambda can step out of the circle).

Would you like to try that?  :-)

> Also, could you convert it to curves?  This version will appear
> differently depending on the installed fonts.

Right, but how to do it in Inkscape?

> I'm attaching my version.  Basically, it's "NixOS reversed."  Lambdas
> are free (i.e., not connected) and colors are warmer.

Looks nice, but I find too close to that of Nix (and it loses some of
its original meaning [0]), and plain lower-case lambdas are too common,
I think.

Another idea might to start from the stylish gnu of Gnus [1], mirror it,
and turn its left leg into a lambda.  Something like that.

Hmmm, this needs more thought, suggestions welcome!

Ludo’.

[0] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.nixos/2951
[1] http://git.gnus.org/cgit/gnus.git/plain/etc/images/gnus/gnus.svg

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-10 22:48   ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-01-16  2:48     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-30 15:51     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-01-16  2:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix

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> Would you like to try that?  :-)

I've found this one [1] through this thread [2].

It looks like hula hooping (no offence).  So it's not appropriate.

> Right, but how to do it in Inkscape?

Select an object, then 'Path' -> 'Object to Path'.

> Looks nice, but I find too close to that of Nix (and it loses some of
> its original meaning [0]), and plain lower-case lambdas are too common,
> I think.

It's important to get the meaning very quickly.  That's why lower-case
lambdas are so common.

> Hmmm, this needs more thought, suggestions welcome!

I like this idea:

"It's important that this process has a deadline (perhaps the end of
the year?), so that we can make progress, we can hopefully quickly
adopt the new logo.

If you'd prefer we adopt the logo now, then this is also fine with me
as long as we can agree that incremental improvements of the logo are
still possible and even desired." [3]

Nikita

[1] http://www.haskell.org/wikiupload/c/c5/HsLogosMB.png
[2] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.nixos/2951
[3] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.nixos/3046

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-10 22:48   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-01-16  2:48     ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-01-30 15:51     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-31 16:58       ` Jason Self
  2013-01-31 23:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-01-30 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix


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> Hmmm, this needs more thought, suggestions welcome!

I created a new version.  (What license should be used?)

These drop-like objects represent profiles.  The logo shows that it's
possible to create several profiles and to roll-back to the initial
profile if it's necessary.

Nikita


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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-30 15:51     ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-01-31 16:58       ` Jason Self
  2013-01-31 23:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Jason Self @ 2013-01-31 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

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Nikita Karetnikov decreed:
> I created a new version.  

I like this.

> What license should be used?

Maybe the same as Guix itself?

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-30 15:51     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-01-31 16:58       ` Jason Self
@ 2013-01-31 23:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-01 21:57         ` Nikita Karetnikov
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-01-31 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

> I created a new version.

I like it.

I think the font should remain sans sérif, but perhaps thinner and more
“modern”.   What about Junction?  http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/junction
(Sorry, I don’t know how to easily import a font in Inkscape...)

Not sure about the colors too.

> (What license should be used?)

Dual-license GPLv3+/GFDLv3+, so it can be used both in documentation and
on-line (splash screen!).

> These drop-like objects represent profiles.  The logo shows that it's
> possible to create several profiles and to roll-back to the initial
> profile if it's necessary.

And one can almost read λs in between the drops.  :-)

Thanks!

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-31 23:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-01 21:57         ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-04 16:46           ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-02-01 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix

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> I like it.

Thanks.

> What about Junction?  http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/junction

I tried it and I think that the current version is better.  Here's why I
don't want to use Junction (in this particular case):

  1. It's too thin; the logo just falls apart.  I can't use a different
     weight because there's only one.  Even if I adjust the stroke in
     Inkscape, it won't look good.

  2. It's a humanist typeface.  Have a closer look at G and x.  These
     letters have some script-like elements.  They don't fit because
     the word is short.

Anyway, I think that there is room for improvement.  Do you have any
other suggestions?

> (Sorry, I don’t know how to easily import a font in Inkscape...)

Not sure about your distro, but the following should work on
Debian-based systems (like gNewSense):

  1. Check '/etc/fonts/fonts.conf'.  It should contain font-related
     directories (like '/usr/local/share/fonts').

  2. Copy the file (e.g., 'Junction.otf') to the right directory.

  3. Run 'fc-cache -f -v' to regenerate the cache files.

> Not sure about the colors too.

I'm not sure either.  Red and blue are usually used to highlight
symlinks.  And green is used for executables.  That's why I picked them.

I think that each profile should have its own color.  So it'll be
possible to distinguish them.

> Dual-license GPLv3+/GFDLv3+, so it can be used both in documentation and
> on-line (splash screen!).

Are you sure?  This page [1] suggests to use either CC BY or CC BY-SA,
but they are "incompatible with the GNU GPL and with the GNU FDL."  It
also says that we have to "determine what the 'source code' is" if we
want to use the GNU GPL.

What does Guile use?

[1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OtherLicenses

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-01 21:57         ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-04 16:46           ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-13 11:14             ` Nikita Karetnikov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-04 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Hi!

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

>> What about Junction?  http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/junction
>
> I tried it and I think that the current version is better.  Here's why I
> don't want to use Junction (in this particular case):
>
>   1. It's too thin; the logo just falls apart.  I can't use a different
>      weight because there's only one.  Even if I adjust the stroke in
>      Inkscape, it won't look good.

Too thin?

>   2. It's a humanist typeface.  Have a closer look at G and x.  These
>      letters have some script-like elements.  They don't fit because
>      the word is short.

Hmm, OK.

> Anyway, I think that there is room for improvement.  Do you have any
> other suggestions?

Not really.  Unfortunately, I’m not good at finding fonts.

Could you perhaps send several examples with a sample of sans-sérif
that you have?  :-)

>> Not sure about the colors too.
>
> I'm not sure either.  Red and blue are usually used to highlight
> symlinks.  And green is used for executables.  That's why I picked them.

Oh, funny.  :-)

It first made me think of an evocation of additive colors, which
reminded of TV-related things, such as this French TV broadcasting
company:

  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:TDF_1975.png

> I think that each profile should have its own color.  So it'll be
> possible to distinguish them.

Yes.  Perhaps I’d use more pastel colors.

>> Dual-license GPLv3+/GFDLv3+, so it can be used both in documentation and
>> on-line (splash screen!).
>
> Are you sure?  This page [1] suggests to use either CC BY or CC BY-SA,
> but they are "incompatible with the GNU GPL and with the GNU FDL."  It
> also says that we have to "determine what the 'source code' is" if we
> want to use the GNU GPL.
>
> What does Guile use?

GPL + GFDL (but I’m the one who made that choice) :

  http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/graphics/

I think it covers all our practical use cases, and there’s not much at
stake anyway.  WDYT?

Anyway, I think it’d be good to converge quickly, so could you come up
with just a few variants of this design, so we can choose from there and
be happy?  :-)

Thanks,
Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-04 16:46           ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-13 11:14             ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-13 21:24               ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-02-13 11:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix


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> Could you perhaps send several examples with a sample of sans-sérif
> that you have?  :-)

I've attached the file.  The one on the left is the current version with
"more pastel colors."  This is my favorite version because (1) the
typeface is clean and (2) the contrast between the drops and the word
isn't sharp (that's what I meant by "too thin").

Also, the other versions require some (tiny) adjustments.  So if you
decide to use a different version, it'll be necessary to check some
issues.

> GPL + GFDL (but I’m the one who made that choice) :

>   http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/graphics/

> I think it covers all our practical use cases, and there’s not much at
> stake anyway.  WDYT?

I agree, but I'd prefer to ask the FSF people anyway.


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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-13 11:14             ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-13 21:24               ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-15 16:32                 ` Nikita Karetnikov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-13 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

>> Could you perhaps send several examples with a sample of sans-sérif
>> that you have?  :-)
>
> I've attached the file.  The one on the left is the current version with
> "more pastel colors."  This is my favorite version because (1) the
> typeface is clean and (2) the contrast between the drops and the word
> isn't sharp (that's what I meant by "too thin").

Yes, of all of them, I also prefer to initial one.  (I now see what you
meant by “too thin”, though maybe tighter inter-letter spacing could
have helped.)

One last thing: it occurred to me that it may be wise to add “GNU”
somewhere (because of “the GNU system” and so on), maybe above the “u”,
or below the “G”, in a smaller typeface.  (I understand this is
additional work, and hope you won’t kill me. ;-))

WDYT?  Does it look feasible at all with this design?

>> GPL + GFDL (but I’m the one who made that choice) :
>
>>   http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/graphics/
>
>> I think it covers all our practical use cases, and there’s not much at
>> stake anyway.  WDYT?
>
> I agree, but I'd prefer to ask the FSF people anyway.

Makes sense.  Would you like to email licensing@gnu.org?

Thanks!

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-13 21:24               ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-15 16:32                 ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-16 21:03                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-02-15 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix


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> One last thing: it occurred to me that it may be wise to add “GNU”
> somewhere (because of “the GNU system” and so on), maybe above the “u”,
> or below the “G”, in a smaller typeface.  (I understand this is
> additional work, and hope you won’t kill me. ;-))

Great idea!  Thanks for your suggestions.

By the way, I fixed the outlines of G and u, but there's room for
improvement.  I used the 'Stroke' menu to increase the weight.  It would
be better to redraw the whole thing in FontForge.  However, it's not in
my short-term to-do list; there are so many things to implement.

> Would you like to email licensing@gnu.org?

Will do.


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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-15 16:32                 ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-16 21:03                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-19 16:15                     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-16 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

> By the way, I fixed the outlines of G and u, but there's room for
> improvement.  I used the 'Stroke' menu to increase the weight.  It would
> be better to redraw the whole thing in FontForge.  However, it's not in
> my short-term to-do list; there are so many things to implement.

Yeah, that’s fine.  :-)

I wonder if it should read “The GNU System” or just “GNU”.  I initially
thought the latter, but this version looks great to me.

So, let’s leave a few days for comments, and then dub it the Official Logo.

Thanks!

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-16 21:03                   ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-19 16:15                     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-19 16:46                       ` Andreas Enge
  2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-02-19 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix

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> So, let’s leave a few days for comments, and then dub it the Official
> Logo.

I'm attaching a tarball.  Note that Document Metadata
(File -> Document Metadata in Inkscape) says that the logo is under a
proprietary license (I guess it's a bug because I can't save the
license), but it's not true.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this work
under the terms of:

* the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software
  Foundation; either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) any
  later version.  A copy of the license is included in the file
  'COPYING.GPL';

* or the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.3 or any later version
  published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections,
  no Front-Cover Texts and no Back-Cover Texts.  A copy of the license
  is included in the file 'COPYING.FDL'.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 16:15                     ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-19 16:46                       ` Andreas Enge
  2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2013-02-19 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

Very nice!

Andreas

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 16:15                     ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-19 16:46                       ` Andreas Enge
@ 2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-19 21:25                         ` Cyril Roelandt
                                           ` (2 more replies)
  1 sibling, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-19 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

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Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

> I'm attaching a tarball.  Note that Document Metadata
> (File -> Document Metadata in Inkscape) says that the logo is under a
> proprietary license (I guess it's a bug because I can't save the
> license), but it's not true.

Nice, thanks!

I’ve put the logo on the web page:

  http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
  http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/

It doesn’t blend well on the main page.  I guess a bit of CSS would help
(notably to leave more space around it), but I’m not sure how to do it,
nor how that would interact gnu.org’s original CSS.

Help welcome!  Note that if you have commit access to the source code
repo, you also have access to the web page repo (CVS), and you’re
welcome to use it.  See <http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=guix> for
details.

Thanks again, Nikita!

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-19 21:25                         ` Cyril Roelandt
  2013-02-19 22:46                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-19 22:20                         ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-20  8:58                         ` Andreas Enge
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Cyril Roelandt @ 2013-02-19 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix

On 02/19/2013 10:22 PM, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Nikita Karetnikov<nikita@karetnikov.org>  skribis:
>
>> I'm attaching a tarball.  Note that Document Metadata
>> (File ->  Document Metadata in Inkscape) says that the logo is under a
>> proprietary license (I guess it's a bug because I can't save the
>> license), but it's not true.
>
> Nice, thanks!
>
> I’ve put the logo on the web page:
>
>    http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/
>    http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
>
> It doesn’t blend well on the main page.  I guess a bit of CSS would help
> (notably to leave more space around it), but I’m not sure how to do it,
> nor how that would interact gnu.org’s original CSS.
>

To leave some space around the logo, I'd write:

<img src="..." style="margin: x1 x2 x3 x4"/>

But my CSS is a bit rusty. Plus, purists would want that to be in the 
CSS file :)

Cyril.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 21:25                         ` Cyril Roelandt
@ 2013-02-19 22:46                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-19 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cyril Roelandt; +Cc: bug-guix

Cyril Roelandt <tipecaml@gmail.com> skribis:

> To leave some space around the logo, I'd write:
>
> <img src="..." style="margin: x1 x2 x3 x4"/>

Oh, good.  I’ve tried something along these lines.

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-19 21:25                         ` Cyril Roelandt
@ 2013-02-19 22:20                         ` Nikita Karetnikov
  2013-02-19 22:47                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-20  8:58                         ` Andreas Enge
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Nikita Karetnikov @ 2013-02-19 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ludovic Courtès; +Cc: bug-guix

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"A copy of the license is included in the file 'COPYING.GPL'; [...] A
copy of the license is included in the file 'COPYING.FDL'." [1]

I think these lines can be removed from the page.

> I guess a bit of CSS would help (notably to leave more space around it),
> but I’m not sure how to do it, nor how that would interact gnu.org’s
> original CSS.

Yep, the logo needs more space.  Also, will it be better to center it?

Can we ask the GNU webmasters?

[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 22:20                         ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-19 22:47                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-20 19:15                             ` Jason Self
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-19 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Nikita Karetnikov; +Cc: bug-guix

Nikita Karetnikov <nikita@karetnikov.org> skribis:

> "A copy of the license is included in the file 'COPYING.GPL'; [...] A
> copy of the license is included in the file 'COPYING.FDL'." [1]
>
> I think these lines can be removed from the page.

Oops, fixed now.

>> I guess a bit of CSS would help (notably to leave more space around it),
>> but I’m not sure how to do it, nor how that would interact gnu.org’s
>> original CSS.
>
> Yep, the logo needs more space.  Also, will it be better to center it?

I wouldn’t center it.  However, it may be nice to allow text to flow on
its right.

> Can we ask the GNU webmasters?

I think there’s one lurking here.  Jason?  :-)

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 22:47                           ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-20 19:15                             ` Jason Self
  2013-02-20 19:59                               ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Jason Self @ 2013-02-20 19:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

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> Can we ask the GNU webmasters?
>
> I think there’s one lurking here.  Jason?  :-)
>
> Ludo’.

Yeah, I think it's better to the left as well.

Assuming that's the decision... it's currently in an href tag and it
doesn't really need to be. I'm also assuming that the right margin
between the logo and the text is what you want to increase. Something
like this below is all that's needed, adjusting the margins to be as
big or little as you desire. You can even add in other things like
margin-left, margin-bottom or margin-top if you want to specify values
for those.

<img src="/software/guix/graphics/guix-logo.small.png"
style="float:left; margin-right: 5px;" />

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-20 19:15                             ` Jason Self
@ 2013-02-20 19:59                               ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-20 22:58                                 ` Jason Self
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-20 19:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Self; +Cc: bug-guix

Hi Jason,

"Jason Self" <jason@bluehome.net> skribis:

> Assuming that's the decision... it's currently in an href tag and it
> doesn't really need to be.

It used to(?) be a convention that the logo would point to a page
containing info about it.  Should we do it differently?

> I'm also assuming that the right margin between the logo and the text
> is what you want to increase. Something like this below is all that's
> needed, adjusting the margins to be as big or little as you
> desire. You can even add in other things like margin-left,
> margin-bottom or margin-top if you want to specify values for those.
>
> <img src="/software/guix/graphics/guix-logo.small.png"
> style="float:left; margin-right: 5px;" />

OK, thanks.  I think it looks OK now.

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-20 19:59                               ` Ludovic Courtès
@ 2013-02-20 22:58                                 ` Jason Self
  2013-02-21 14:15                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Jason Self @ 2013-02-20 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

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Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote ..
> Should we do it differently?

Ah, you're referring to the "Use of Graphics" section in the
stylesheet [0]. That's actually referring to main graphics page [1]
although this is fine too. Adding it to the GNU Art Gallery might be
a good thing too. I'll make sure that gets done.

[0] http://www.gnu.org/server/fsf-html-style-sheet.html
[1] http://www.gnu.org/graphics/

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-20 22:58                                 ` Jason Self
@ 2013-02-21 14:15                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-21 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Self; +Cc: bug-guix

Hi,

"Jason Self" <jason@bluehome.net> skribis:

> Ah, you're referring to the "Use of Graphics" section in the 
> stylesheet [0].

Yes.

> That's actually referring to main graphics page [1] although this is
> fine too.

Well, the guideline is to put a /graphics page under your own project
directory, and have it linked from www.gnu.org/graphics.

> Adding it to the GNU Art Gallery might be a good thing too. I'll make
> sure that gets done.

Thanks!

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-19 21:22                       ` Ludovic Courtès
  2013-02-19 21:25                         ` Cyril Roelandt
  2013-02-19 22:20                         ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-02-20  8:58                         ` Andreas Enge
  2013-02-20 11:36                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2013-02-20  8:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

Am Dienstag, 19. Februar 2013 schrieb Ludovic Courtès:
> Help welcome!  Note that if you have commit access to the source code
> repo, you also have access to the web page repo (CVS)

Seriously? I think I forgot how to use cvs 10 years ago... How about 
updating it to git?

Also, I noticed that the gnu boilerplate is copy-pasted into the page; how 
about including a php script with one line that contains the gnu content?

Here is a patch to the web page that makes the logo a bit smaller and lets 
the text flow to its right:

--- index.html.alt      2013-02-20 09:48:44.000000000 +0100
+++ index.html  2013-02-20 09:52:20.000000000 +0100
@@ -96,7 +96,8 @@
 
 <a href="graphics/index.html">
   <img src="graphics/guix-logo.small.png"
-       style="margin: 25px 0px 25px 0px;"
+       height="80em"
+       style="float:left; padding:2em;"
        alt="GNU Guix and the GNU System" />
 </a>


Andreas

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* Re: A logo
  2013-02-20  8:58                         ` Andreas Enge
@ 2013-02-20 11:36                           ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-02-20 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andreas Enge; +Cc: bug-guix

Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr> skribis:

> Am Dienstag, 19. Februar 2013 schrieb Ludovic Courtès:
>> Help welcome!  Note that if you have commit access to the source code
>> repo, you also have access to the web page repo (CVS)
>
> Seriously?

Yep.  :-)  That’s how gnu.org and nongnu.org web pages are managed, and
I suspect it’s not going to change overnight.

> Also, I noticed that the gnu boilerplate is copy-pasted into the page; how 
> about including a php script with one line that contains the gnu content?

If you look at the repo, it actually uses server-side header/footer
inclusion, like this:

  <!--#include virtual="/server/html5-header.html" -->

> Here is a patch to the web page that makes the logo a bit smaller and lets 
> the text flow to its right:

Thanks, applied.  I added “padding-left: 0px” so it’s aligned with the text.

Ludo’.

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-08 22:05 A logo Ludovic Courtès
  2013-01-09 13:05 ` Nikita Karetnikov
@ 2013-01-10  8:42 ` Andreas Enge
  2013-01-10 22:31   ` Ludovic Courtès
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Enge @ 2013-01-10  8:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: bug-guix

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Hello,

actually, the logo looks very much like the anarchist symbol, I 
spontaneously interpreted the lambda as an A. This might be understood by 
your "battle for freedom", but is maybe a bit extreme.

In Nikita's version, the detached lambdas are clearly identifiable. I also 
agree with using a bit of colour.

Andreas

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* Re: A logo
  2013-01-10  8:42 ` Andreas Enge
@ 2013-01-10 22:31   ` Ludovic Courtès
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Ludovic Courtès @ 2013-01-10 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andreas Enge; +Cc: bug-guix

Andreas Enge <andreas@enge.fr> skribis:

> actually, the logo looks very much like the anarchist symbol, I 
> spontaneously interpreted the lambda as an A. This might be understood by 
> your "battle for freedom",

Yes.

> but is maybe a bit extreme.

Extremeness is in the eye of the beholder.  ;-)

> In Nikita's version, the detached lambdas are clearly identifiable. I also 
> agree with using a bit of colour.

Yeah.  Let’s see.

Ludo’.

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2013-02-19 22:46                           ` Ludovic Courtès
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2013-02-19 22:47                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2013-02-20 19:15                             ` Jason Self
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