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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645369192; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=lk1KFPfEPV3KUr/pA76qfzJy295P7SstQPV4vdAp45g=; b=UlMuZH2lzcuFHqCIZpyoafzZFCAKld1QF5mwKt/ilGFvK5YGfkgf1oMU5iqSl4R4Wltfrv 2pMTSAB8hctJ6M8aZ7pQmoDrhdZRhVL6E+vqqruen1pMGLR9bK0Z3fY19RRfl5CWVewi9Y nRObTlXVMRCo/javZrarwIZEQUecdnexTs3nqzA1Fb5D8ZfOX/JKuYmvE9MizFi1IWt8lf JHsw6fyU3Xlr4/vDQivcezXcNPe5rFxQ+YQeLXUTPzNpW3mOaxZ2LKF7CBOCIdm5hoToeH nfN10ac5flsuVR+8cvClXctLw9wi2Ubh7BxBxLVPvHpigQHrM7xx8OP4G/0H7Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645369192; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=DqoPsev57KLQwk7WP9gINzWTq7w6KkoG7lBqB5tbRtvSXo4Axkts1Ho/QoZBHyq9QROlyg NMp4brfyRdKpJtufXNDpYzfpDxY6ePN0MObEzGNdN5WxnAKtaQcU9oeMvkYo4tsk5+Imnv Z1At9E/9F1ACHlBCkFHe+sKJNrkmTV49svMJlOUytb9Xm7cWRi+thXZaiMoAZu74Gr36WY 1Mdzsg0NAkRIiHhzJlgUVf2gJdbgYH9+xsmUk9xDEgPiI8xQpRIZLwp/ymBlbroWc68d9R Rs8hcwpQR7T8fHDt66paDGfGyHrpuxGHDW5zbfeobb9eqxP4XTbqMv0rYqPnOQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=philipmcgrath.com header.s=fm1 header.b=An7mW3Tf; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=QJ8twtC1; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.73 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=philipmcgrath.com header.s=fm1 header.b=An7mW3Tf; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=QJ8twtC1; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D589C32739 X-Spam-Score: -0.73 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: rxpWfpFTYV2S On Sunday, February 20, 2022 7:44:18 AM EST Taylan Kammer wrote: > On 20.02.2022 13:37, Maxime Devos wrote: > > The points about slippery slopes, research and niche use-cases seem > > reasonable to me. I do see follow-up questions though, should the > > description in Guix warn about potential issues? And should the > > description focus on research uses? ... > >=20 > > More concretely, the p2pool description is: > >=20 > > =E2=80=98Monero P2Pool is a peer-to-peer Monero mining pool. P2Pool > > combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully > > control your Monero node and what it mines, but *you get frequent > > payouts like on a regular pool.*=E2=80=99 > >=20 > > This is quite a bit different from, say, aircrack-ng which seems > > to be mostly about assessing security, whereas the p2pool description > > is about gaining money (see =E2=80=98payouts=E2=80=99), and without men= tioning that > > mining costs a lot of energy (and hence money, and possibly the money > > that is gained by mining is smaller than the amount lost due to energy > > costs!). > >=20 > > My dislike for the description of p2pool might just be my views on > > money leaking through, though. > >=20 > > Greetings, > > Maxime. >=20 > I guess a different description would be better. It sounds almost > like a sales pitch with the mention of making money. :-) >=20 > I'm not familiar with Monero/P2Pool so I don't know what a better > description might sound like though. This description sound like it is promising that, if you run this software,= =20 you will "get frequent payouts". I don't think that's a claim Guix can or=20 should make. I guess there's maybe some tension about to what extent packag= e=20 descriptions are speaking on behalf of the package or on behalf of Guix, bu= t I=20 don't think it usually causes too much confusion for the description of a=20 package like `pypy3` to say what the program's developers think its merits= =20 are, without Guix as a project appearing to take a position on which is the= =20 best Python implementation. However, a package description claiming that yo= u=20 will get money if you use it seems like quite an extreme case. (More generally, I share both the concerns about the impacts of crypto mini= ng=20 and the concern that for Guix to refuse to package such software might have= =20 problematic implications.) =2DPhilip