From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium. Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 12:04:04 -0200 Message-ID: <1af79bfb-57f9-da16-8aea-ba6d33bb7eca@hyperbola.info> References: <20190202192023.22087-1-mbakke@fastmail.com> <87k1igpwk8.fsf@dismail.de> <20190203235204.63970587@parabola> Reply-To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fv07DOV16rq8z5Rwk05RIQlTM2c7yK1pF" Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20190203235204.63970587@parabola> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gnu-linux-libre-bounces+gldg-gnu-linux-libre=m.gmane.org@nongnu.org Sender: "gnu-linux-libre" To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions , guix-devel@gnu.org Cc: 28004@debbugs.gnu.org List-Id: guix-devel.gnu.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --fv07DOV16rq8z5Rwk05RIQlTM2c7yK1pF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XhxPwm5zC00njXLOgKKWbCtxwcjnxbngP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions , guix-devel@gnu.org Cc: 28004@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: <1af79bfb-57f9-da16-8aea-ba6d33bb7eca@hyperbola.info> Subject: Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium. References: <20190202192023.22087-1-mbakke@fastmail.com> <87k1igpwk8.fsf@dismail.de> <20190203235204.63970587@parabola> In-Reply-To: <20190203235204.63970587@parabola> --XhxPwm5zC00njXLOgKKWbCtxwcjnxbngP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em 04/02/2019 02:52, bill-auger escreveu: > re: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2019-02/msg00009.html= >=20 > i would like to remind readers of the guix-devel list that it was > discussed some months ago, why no FSDG distros currently distribute > chromium[1] - it appeared at that time, that most people in that > discussion were in agreement that chromium should not be included in > guix; and marius was instead hosting it in a private repo, as not to > taint the main guix repos with dubious software - has there been a > notable break-through since then? >=20 > what is the evidence for this claim that this guix package is "free > software only"? - what does "Marks beautiful computed-origin-method" do= > toward that end? - if a procedure for liberating any chromium-derived > software has been discovered, this would be a marvelous accomplishment > and very good news indeed, of which people outside of the guix dev team= > would also be interested to learn On this matter, I think this discussion and also the review should be tracked either in a bug report or in the Free Software Directory wiki talk page about Chromium package/entry[1], this one also has a partial review still to be finished. Besides, the last time I read the FSD's entry inclusion requirements (about June, 2018) I was informed also in IRC that they have plans to make the FSD mimic the requirements of the GNU FSDG so that free/libre system distributions would have an easier time getting a list of reviewed packages for inclusion. That means that the FSD would also have the requirements from the GNU FSDG regarding not including malware and not steering towards non-free functional data. There are optional things to consider, for which the Antifeature Project Team is working on drafting[2], although these are not requirements for inclusion in the FSD. Regarding the review results in the page referenced by [1], please keep in mind that the torrents have no trackers, so please share/seed with DHT and PEX enabled so others can discover the shares too. Another alternative is of course to ditch Chromium and Ungoogled-Chromium and focus on Iridium Browser[3]. Anyways, if you do want to see progress in the Chromium review, please contribute by downloading, seeding and also actually reviewing parts of the reports generated. The last stop is marked with "Continue.". I did start the review, but I'm not the most experienced person in regards to all of legal, security and privacy matters. Just remember to remake a torrent with the modified report and change the old hash in the page to the new one you're seeding if you do make changes to the report, and mark/save the change as major so that other people get notified. Lastly, bill-auger's question of which should be the "assumed value" for the GNU FSDG compliance status of a unreviewed package, based on various proofs related to the dangers of non-free software (well, gnu.org has a page with these reports/news[4]) and also on the reasoning given by Richard Stallman in his talks[5], the unreviewed entries should be considered non-free. [1] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Talk:Chromium [2] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Free_Software_Directory:Antifeatures [3] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Iridium_Browser [4] https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary.html [5] http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/2015-10-24--rms--free-software-and-your-= freedom--seagl--speech.ogv --XhxPwm5zC00njXLOgKKWbCtxwcjnxbngP-- --fv07DOV16rq8z5Rwk05RIQlTM2c7yK1pF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlxe3ekACgkQyNbhUgHunaHVMgD/VOrTN6R1GtfuIy4Dpa6Vz4Ri C/sT4razWvFci3gj008BANmGgsKd7ZH8kabZh3Ru5jLvQC22fRFw80wGkWR59Y7m =+SvO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fv07DOV16rq8z5Rwk05RIQlTM2c7yK1pF--