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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656434893; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=fA9Bg7zSXKxRVUV/cN7pa/76x9LrQ6ci9izeFy5cYLw=; b=mEihs5OeWx9+RBVUJXeGUSOwwrpHxytRJ+bJ+J/q5SH8lnu7II4bP+AkI3cEd1hkpdMdOk wvIS/DR3KcXnKPeoWm4zFdGfdsUDDaKRC67yBKF2vnWWnke+q5JvJOtuhZZEH3rGay92YP MSJbh9eXEyQURMkW7o0x/OfwXSZtABdnvgraPFd2jvCTXjVbrhtCpbl7vxeedq7Ntmu8CK G0N1lGAveN7oVAEbbqEIuFnVRdRIyWZW0tc5pzp1cDtsH7kJlEw/Zn0qxorOi3VTpPgKb5 8qCrW8g93v6uPVACrW3MXkXo4CynCe13Z1b5dTUH/M5X2N0RPF1QxdQh20oCeg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656434893; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=WKWV2Y0rHVrFYa72bz0B2bks+RB4xy6kweSmM6njaKU9AHQ7m80AL07VZNAsQ64Z/9TlVd ADnZSCDKunbgPIU0pm+B2juZ0liqilyvVgTESOSX72p10gPLZ+VXmpGXoKGexxt6iJb8dn J+XkLtLL1q4LMcQ8qFf/cu5MspytWBijq63Tlw8VG5QxfMeynZEG3E+52LwnuZ5e62U1qp OtpTiDPzmwHgc6ntHC/le5nDJDQW6oxL/7PUiVoopIrN9+/IpoArUJ3OrsDbtEmdCQzvyV HE/tzgVXlPJdiC8SYFVOxgu9ST4IL/dc6R/yTXDlDEKCn2Sg+BrcSIpufZ90ZQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=mguFnlPF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=mguFnlPF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 69F9010792 X-Spam-Score: -9.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: DvaOLJhu9Jud --=-4S0fc9KLLkBidhuEKLeP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable zimoun schreef op di 28-06-2022 om 18:21 [+0200]: > And=E2=80=A6 as I wrote [1]: >=20 > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree; we cannot fix the wor= ld. ;-) In the case of patch#55541, the > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 issues of cross-compilation ca= n be reported directly to upstream and > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 another Debbugs number could b= e open. >=20 > 1: >=20 >=20 > The bug is not ignored, to the contrary. It is -- where's the bug report upstream or a fix? > But it is not a blocker for patch inclusion and so patch#55541 can be clo= sed. It is a blocker -- as previousy mentioned, upstream doesn't even know about the bug. > You are free, as the reviewer, to open a report for Guix pointing the > issue of cross-compilation of =E2=80=99azpainter=E2=80=99; As mentioned previously, that is not reviewing, and I don't have time to fix the world. I have other things to do than only acting on guix- patches@. Also, as mentioned previously, can't a reviewer do a partial review? Why the insistence on the reviewer -- isn't making a proper patch the submitter's job, not the reviewer's? > Well, you and me spend more time in discussing that than in just > reporting the issue. ;-) Yes, but if I just give in and report the issue after other insist I do it, then I create the expectation that I'll just do everything. I refuse, I insist on being allowed to quit doing something and start doing other things. (So TBC, I won't be doing that.) > Ultimately, nothing is perfect and people are doing their best with > their resource at hand; at least, I do my best with the resource at > my hands. I would be more than happy if more people would try to > sort, classify or fix the old bugs. Maybe, you will join the effort > ? I would have more time for that if we refused patches with issues like this one and did not insist on letting the reviewer do the submittter's job. Greetings, Maxime. --=-4S0fc9KLLkBidhuEKLeP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYKADUWIQTB8z7iDFKP233XAR9J4+4iGRcl7gUCYrswnxccbWF4aW1lZGV2 b3NAdGVsZW5ldC5iZQAKCRBJ4+4iGRcl7iT1AP9YWHVP0yScGtnUoN/D9pR/4P4+ bo/geLkptFM1R2o8eAD/bGU+lp+MSf6u+mCHS+EzY6KtsOsdDhaRHvXe15b2Tgg= =owS4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-4S0fc9KLLkBidhuEKLeP--