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spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.42 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=telenet.be header.s=r21 header.b="KxreDYo/"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=telenet.be (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-patches-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7F44820A7B X-Spam-Score: -3.42 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: rFm+hUvcq4b4 --=-haUH6l6e3qre/WuSWVL9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mason Loring Bliss schreef op do 02-09-2021 om 17:24 [-0400]: > Maxime writes, > =20 > > The GPL violation is very unfortunate. It would have been nice to > > have some ZFS support in Guix. >=20 > There is no GPL violation. Gaslighting in an attempt to sabotage the > adoption of high-quality free software is somewhat poor form and not at a= ll > useful. Indeed, gaslighing is poor form and not at all useful. But why are you sug= gesting I'm gaslightling here? Did you just read these last two sentences of the e= -mail? If you read all of it, you'd have seen my explanation of why I believe ther= e's a GPL violation, and two relevant links to articles by SFLC and FSF.=20 Also see IRC logs: https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-09-02.log https://logs.guix.gnu.org/guix/2021-09-03.log While ultimately it's a matter for the courts to decide on, I believe I've reasonable grounds to believe it's a GPL violation and explained why, so I don't see any gaslightling here. And I'm not =E2=80=98sabotaging=E2=80=99 anything. In fact, I'm _helping_ = adoption of ZFS, by reviewing the patch and giving some suggestions. There is just the prac= tical problem of the in-my-eyes probable GPL violation (your opinion on whether i= t's a GPL violation might vary). > To be clear, the one singular thing that would be a GPL violation would b= e > Guix building Linux with ZFS built in and then distributing that binary. > Users can build ZFS into their kernels and use them and that's fine as lo= ng > as they don't distribute them. Guix can script this to make it easy for > users to build ZFS into their kernels and that would not be a violation. > The only possible violation is distribution of a binary Linux kernel with > ZFS compiled into it. See the previous mail and the IRC logs for why I find this reasoning rather flimsy. > Hope that helps. No, your libel about =E2=80=98Maxime is gaslighting=E2=80=99 doesn't help. = And your paragraph about why you think there's no GPL violation here is nothing I haven't read= before. I probably won't be reading and replying to your mails anymore. 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