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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1684862458; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dJpiRwwMo9vX44bE84OMpNlZk57kYO5LbYFLbsxlCk2oSPg6CB2pT/Pzfyu1m4d8MpDIL/ jkKU7O7yg1ISlcSKpcPpmlCnxohkB5XpoE9Yvi/gfMtALhX1Cj86/0Y6VaWZ9u5ScCMEYJ kIam4lYb3iZZ2j7TSM3OQr+gmlJZ/D0TlkDBKC7Adje7Ujk04V/DHYZ7VD68NiWnAmzXPF TTS++Zs6jJn7QiRnkBGnau0eK9Rq5c+uxuv8G4IbLu2cV2I8MF6AZiOeQWBes7BS5VO0D/ vdV3ZFH28iM3lm5JlW+p2+0MbBi1x5RZ5BgKBRnVKXpUeZAPHbNNam+GeVxVVA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=upAcJmju; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1684862458; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=uhl4ekXAgqggM6Hc8fGuBhTJCzKtyuJyDFnOOjAo56s=; b=hPCFHwamTUQB38MnC/qWwq+yezIgV+nbVJqR0ZtdU++OPbd34RXH4/5JC45UVfO1J+u9t3 8ZPWw7YFI8wT6iduw0aOHbhB3fo4www9iU+xfMUPV0T6t/BB6A4MMjvbx6xVG/ocbYeRpt gEDxQFHuLxYU4+3CRPsoyOvSGu480LQCZukhJ2eWogwc1YAaNahUukZNvCsHvbp2b5lQQO 8Yd4wnTF7eYzazsddVtaBzesRAMtKc+cvCf1l3wI+uMTY7jIlGqIy0AU5+xz21mozih0EV 0hdaM2O287xcoH14s7/HLIk6Gg6QGsEjT4yBgJvWFGVg+mqE0YW5GvB1p/giqA== X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.24 X-Spam-Score: -6.24 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 443E0C72D X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=upAcJmju; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-TUID: 0swBhe4NBhLk > What disturbs me with your suggestion is that it reuses the same syntax > that is already used for a different purpose. So in a sense you do > "operator overloading", and the same command line then means different > things depending on whether the package version is already provided by > Guix or not. Yes, I see how that can be an CLI smell and "not Guixonic". Would be sweet to have something like it but I realize the negative of di= rtying the current API's explicitness to get lower verbosity invocations = at the shell prompt.