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It's about the sending end rather than the receiving end, really. As a sender, if you have a series that "invades" the territory of several teams, each will get CC'd exactly on the patches that overlap with them. I argue, that this is the worst possible configuration. For a recent example, Christopher sent a series that just renames ruby everywhere. I got 08/24 because gnome-team receives changes to webkit. As a member of gnome-team I said LGTM, but I really only had that one mail to go of. If I don't investigate the full series, Christopher could have introduced a wrong ruby here; either by accident (typo) or maliciously, and no you wouldn't catch on from that single mail. Thus, at the very least, the cover letter ought to go to all teams who have major stakes in any particular patch. But here's the second thing: gnome-team doesn't have major stakes in a minor patch out of twenty-four. With the current automation in place, users unknowingly and without ever intending to alert team attention to where it wouldn't be needed in a manner that leaves major context clues to be found in the aether. I don't think this "maximizes" the potential of teams in any way whatsoever. Cheers