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I'm more interested in > > the longer term cost of making changes like this than the temporary > > drops in substitute availability. >=20 > You mean as a precedent for similar commits in the future or as a way > of involuntarily breaking other packages? As already stated, I only > pushed the commit because I was quite sure that all rebuilds would > succeed. a less frequent drop in substitute availability on master would considerabl= y elevate my satisfaction with guix as a user. and in my reading that is th= e cost that Christopher talks about here. it's rather disruptive on my workflow when i want to deploy something from = my channel to my servers, but due to missing substitutes i need to edit the= channels.scm file, pick a commit in the past... and make sure i pick it in= sync with That-Other-Channel... then hope that the past commit i picked is= covered by substitutes, because currently it's not predictable which commi= ts are fully built by the build farm... then issue a `guix pull --allow-dow= ngrades` to revert the guix channel... and then repeat it all if i picked a= commit that is also not covered well... my 0.02 is that it shouldn't be an either-or choice between 1) teams and to= pic branches, and 2) a core-updates-like staging branch. the latter should = be employed, if for nothing else, to keep substitute availability high on m= aster. maybe with the addition of team branches a core-updates branch would be muc= h more manageable? and it'd be easier to merge it more frequently? then it = could be a home for commits that are semantically simple, but expensive to = build. --=20 =E2=80=A2 attila lendvai =E2=80=A2 PGP: 963F 5D5F 45C7 DFCD 0A39 -- =E2=80=9CIf he controls your ideas he will soon control your actions, becau= se every action is preceded by an idea.=E2=80=9D =09=E2=80=94 Silvano Arieti (1914=E2=80=931981), 'The Will to Be Human'