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The root issue is the volatility of environments, and I wonder if I am missing some feature to handle them better. Here is my current reasoning: 1. Containers can only be generated using "guix shell" or the older "guix environment". There is no way to generate a container based on a profile. Correct me if I am wrong! 2. I have been using a plain "guix shell" for a while, but my environments break too often after a "guix pull" to continue this way. Most of my containerized environments contain no security-critical software, so I'd be happy not to update them very often (or not at all). That would be trivial with profiles, but... point 1. 3. There's the =E2=80=93root option to "guix shell" to protect my environme= nt from the garbage collector. But there is no way to say "use the environment pointed to by that root, no matter when and how it was created". I have to specify the packages with respect to the current Guix version (last "pull"). So if I want to protect against updates, I have to use "guix time-machine" with "guix shell". Which is fine in theory. 4. In practice, I often work with a bad or non-existing network connection, so I must be sure to have all my packages in the store. And if I use "time-machine", I must also keep the required Guix version locally available. But there is no option for that in "time-machine". The Guix versions it downloads are garbage-collected after a while. So I can find myself in the situation of having all the packages for my environment in the store, but unable to access it without a network connection, because "time-machine" first needs to fetch an old Guix version again. Did I overlook anything? Cheers, Konrad