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In-Reply-To: <87367nydku.fsf@dustycloud.org> (Christopher Lemmer Webber's message of "Mon, 25 May 2020 16:17:05 -0400") References: <87v9l2thi5.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y2pyfc3d.fsf@yamatai> <20200512192319.GA918@E5400> <9077d3bf-1f83-6e08-341d-7f7be5387f42@hyperbola.info> <87367nydku.fsf@dustycloud.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 08:16:47 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.5; envelope-from=dag@gnui.org; helo=relay-2.mailobj.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/26 23:34:06 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 May 2020 05:00:52 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: help-guix@gnu.org Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-TUID: S2WCgaZrJuQ+ --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I'm not sure it's really accurate to categorize asking for a vanilla copy= of firefox, which might not comply with the FSDG, as nonfree software. Th= e primary issue with Firefox that makes it qualify as "nonfree" is that the= add-ons tool brings you to something that might guide a user towards nonfr= ee software right? Nope. Firefox, as distributed by Mozilla, is simply not a free software. = Just reread the agreement with Mozilla [0] you are supposed to abide. You = are _not_ free even to redistribute _exact_ copies of it, let aside distrib= uting modified ones: | You may distribute unaltered copies of Mozilla Firefox and other Mozilla = software from Mozilla.org without express permission from Mozilla as long a= s you comply with the following rules: | | =E2=80=94 You may not charge for the software. That means: | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be subject to any fee. | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be tied to purchasing a product or ser= vice. There are many other points there, that alone enough to render it nonfree. = My favourite one: | =E2=80=94 When distributing you must distribute the most recent version= of Firefox and other Mozilla software. [0] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/distribution-policy/ > Thus I think this isn't exactly correct framing, since firefox itself isn= 't nonfree? As you see, it is. You could build something very similar to Firefox from = sources, of course, but it would not be Mozilla Firefox. No much differenc= e from Google Chrome in that regard. But there is one difference, that is to credit of Google and that I would n= ot underestimate =E2=80=94 the free counterpart of their browser has a cano= nical name =E2=80=94 Chromium. While Mozilla=CA=BCs browser is anonymous a= nd, unless are fine with adverting nonfree software, cannot be referred in = any concise way; hence the whole zoo of rebrands: Icecat, Iceweasel, Fennec= (F-Droid), Abrowser (Trisquel)... --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIMEARYIACsWIQRSX35grYEsI2F1K7TIsPhUjufz5wUCXs33vw0cZGFnQGdudWku b3JnAAoJEMiw+FSO5/PnN8oBAOrEnFFqozghiZDIfRX4ZLs+tk9c/k2MGjNzZIq2 Qgl9APsHXKseU4u07enJyxdYR3hw4NgVKNVxhA0WeSteJTxyDQ== =ILTa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--