From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id oJD9LyxIz154HwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 05:12:12 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id wFd2KyxIz17VUwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 05:12:12 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1126D940603 for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 05:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:42052 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeApt-0002kE-6V for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 28 May 2020 01:12:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34594) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeAp1-0002dl-CQ; Thu, 28 May 2020 01:11:15 -0400 Received: from relay-1.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.6]:34345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jeAoz-0002a0-PE; Thu, 28 May 2020 01:11:15 -0400 Received: from v-1c.localdomain (unknown [192.168.90.161]) by relay-1.mailobj.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF011123D; Thu, 28 May 2020 07:11:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-1.net-c.com [213.182.54.15] with ESMTP Thu, 28 May 2020 07:11:10 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: hXo5J0dMJLYMCCi+S9XpbzPwHrYnI1EJKTODEoUrYDoR4d016CQaj9uhD25W4zf2dEi6Dc1tyhWimkO29C1PONNotAR4uooo From: Dmitry Alexandrov To: help-guix-owner@gnu.org Subject: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 In-Reply-To: <225915422.1590600329049.org.dystopia.email@localhost> (Adonay Felipe Nogueira via's message of "Wed, 27 May 2020 14:31:31 -0300 (GMT-03:00)") References: <87v9l2thi5.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y2pyfc3d.fsf@yamatai> <20200512192319.GA918@E5400> <9077d3bf-1f83-6e08-341d-7f7be5387f42@hyperbola.info> <87367nydku.fsf@dustycloud.org> <225915422.1590600329049.org.dystopia.email@localhost> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) OpenPGP: id=525F7E60AD812C2361752BB4C8B0F8548EE7F3E7; url=https://openpgpkey.gnui.org/.well-known/openpgpkey/gnui.org/hu/hr4k5tkxm6shwdc18su4bkm34w3dctjd Mail-Copies-To: always Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 08:11:05 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.6; envelope-from=dag@gnui.org; helo=relay-1.mailobj.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/28 01:11:11 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Adonay Felipe Nogueira , help-guix@gnu.org Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-TUID: 1fZM8grVepX/ --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Dear listmaster, is there any reason to have this content-filter enabled there? 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Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:31:31 -0300 (GMT-03:00) Approved: news@gmane.org Message-ID: <225915422.1590600329049.org.dystopia.email@localhost> References: <87v9l2thi5.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y2pyfc3d.fsf@yamatai> <20200512192319.GA918@E5400> <9077d3bf-1f83-6e08-341d-7f7be5387f42@hyperbola.info> <87367nydku.fsf@dustycloud.org> Reply-To: Adonay Felipe Nogueira Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="54988"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-guix@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 27 19:42:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcggh-help-guix@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1je045-000EAS-6M for gcggh-help-guix@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 19:42:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1je044-0002T5-6i for gcggh-help-guix@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:42:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jdzuB-0004Zj-9H for help-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from siauliai.hyperbola.info ([185.177.150.7]:55084 helo=smtp.hyperbola.info) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jdzu6-0006ih-3A for help-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:31:50 -0400 Original-Received: by smtp.hyperbola.info (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e5e40e6e (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) auth=yes user=adfeno for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 17:31:38 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.177.150.7; envelope-from=adfeno@smtp.hyperbola.info; helo=smtp.hyperbola.info X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/27 13:31:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:41:05 -0400 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Help-Guix" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.gnu.guix.user:9626 Archived-At: As far as I know not even Chromium is free/libre, see https://directory.fsf= .org/wiki/Chromium . Also I would recommend all to ask the FSF about the fr= eedom issues with Firefox. -- * Ativista do software livre * https://librep= lanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (F= ree Software Directory) * Distribui=C3=A7=C3=B5es de sistemas (FreedSoftwar= e) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * N=C3=A3o sou advogado e n=C3=A3o= fomento os n=C3=A3o livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletr=C3=B4nico do te= u e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assin= o e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave p=C3=BAblica: vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * Q= ualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se n=C3=A3o tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "s= ignature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresenta=C3=A7=C3=B5= es: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * Use prot= ocolos de comunica=C3=A7=C3=A3o federadas * Vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * M= ensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e ass= inado com OpenPGP Wed May 27 02:16:47 GMT-03:00 2020 Dmitry Alexandrov : Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I'm not sure it's really acc= urate to categorize asking for a vanilla copy of firefox, which might not c= omply with the FSDG, as nonfree software. The primary issue with Firefox th= at makes it qualify as "nonfree" is that the add-ons tool brings you to som= ething that might guide a user towards nonfree software right? Nope. Firefo= x, as distributed by Mozilla, is simply not a free software. Just reread th= e agreement with Mozilla [0] you are supposed to abide. You are _not_ free = even to redistribute _exact_ copies of it, let aside distributing modified = ones: | You may distribute unaltered copies of Mozilla Firefox and other Mo= zilla software from Mozilla.org without express permission from Mozilla as = long as you comply with the following rules: | | =E2=80=94 You may not char= ge for the software. That means: | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be subject t= o any fee. | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be tied to purchasing a product or= service. There are many other points there, that alone enough to render it= nonfree. My favourite one: | =E2=80=94 When distributing you must distribu= te the most recent version of Firefox and other Mozilla software. [0] https= ://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/distribution-policy/ > Thus = I think this isn't exactly correct framing, since firefox itself isn't nonf= ree? As you see, it is. You could build something very similar to Firefox f= rom sources, of course, but it would not be Mozilla Firefox. No much differ= ence from Google Chrome in that regard. But there is one difference, that i= s to credit of Google and that I would not underestimate =E2=80=94 the free= counterpart of their browser has a canonical name =E2=80=94 Chromium. Whil= e Mozilla=CA=BCs browser is anonymous and, unless are fine with adverting n= onfree software, cannot be referred in any concise way; hence the whole zoo= of rebrands: Icecat, Iceweasel, Fennec (F-Droid), Abrowser (Trisquel)... --=-=-=-- --==-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIMEARYIACsWIQRSX35grYEsI2F1K7TIsPhUjufz5wUCXs9H6g0cZGFnQGdudWku b3JnAAoJEMiw+FSO5/PnFXIBAOdDZJk5RgIN8SVN0YEK9gUnmwikyq5/AtrG5ETi PllRAP4n75ESk/bkr9r+0XyKSaGkjB58/xBM/4uJRQU/0bVsAQ== =/lTq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==-=-=--