From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id KMmcEpiT018XRwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:43:20 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id oOeCDpiT01+BAgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:43:20 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF3AB940367 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:59458 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1knkZi-00073A-BP for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:43:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1knkPV-0005my-7h; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:32:45 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:33917) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1knkPO-0000Fn-EZ; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:32:45 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.92.40.84 Received: from [192.168.27.7] (unknown [91.92.40.84]) (Authenticated sender: rado@edno.moe) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DFD0E0010; Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: NAS hardware recommendations To: Pierre Neidhardt , david larsson References: <87im9cgutb.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <2c2aab7f-3b77-4fbe-c3fd-327c2f8aa58a@edno.moe> <87zh2lyb5s.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> From: zloster Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 17:32:03 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87zh2lyb5s.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.196; envelope-from=more@edno.moe; helo=relay4-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: help-guix@gnu.org, Help-Guix Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.50 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: BF3AB940367 X-Spam-Score: 2.50 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: CPRcYYm/hJ8i On 10.12.2020 16:43, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > Hi zloster! > >> https://wiki.kobol.io/helios64/intro/ > Neat! I like it a lot, seems to be ticking all boxes! > Except that I can't buy it :( > Still hunting for a retailer... As far as I know they only sell direct - so the final price will depend on where you live. If Europe/EU I expect the total to come around 350 euro (300 usd + VAT + delivery). > >> Also for DIY low powered home NAS you could check the mini-ITX >> motherboards with the embedded CPUs and some computer case like Fractal >> Design Core 500 (4 3,5" bays + some 2,5" physically separate bays). Of >> course you will NOT get externally accessible drive bays. >> In fact I use the following components for a home server (4 years >> currently): >> Motherboard: >> https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-N3150N-D3V-rev-10/sp#sp - 4 SATA >> 3.0 ports and 2x1Gbps Ethernet >> Case: Fractal Design Core 500 >> RAM: 2x8GB DDR3L (laptop) >> Power supply: Corsair VS400 or VS450 ATX (I don't remember) > This could be an option indeed. > Any idea how much the above would cost? > And what's the power consumption? > > Cheers! > The power consumption is low. Of course tt can't beat the SBCs. The embedded CPUs are 6-10W of TDP. Add 1-2W per DDR RAM module and the power consumption of the HDDs (around 5W per HDD in active R/W state). Using the UPS reporting mine gives 65 Watts consumption of the homeserver (with 3 drives and very light load), ER-X router and 2,4/5GHz wireless router. The ER-X and the wireless router should consume not more than 10 Watts combined. Here is a review with the power consumption report of J5005 motherboard (between 9 and 17 Watts with 1 RAM stick and 1 SSD): https://www.servethehome.com/intel-pentium-silver-j5005-benchmarks-and-review/3/ Also note the CPU processing power: https://www.techpowerup.com/244596/intel-pentium-silver-j5005-catches-up-with-legendary-core-2-quad-q6600 Also good words for these little motherboards here: https://openbsdrouterguide.net/ About the cost (*in Europe*): 1) the case if at the expensive end - it should be around 60 Euro including VAT. But it has an air filters and includes 140 mm fan. Important note - *the 3,5" bays are 3 not 4. *But if you don't use the optical disk drive bay (ODD bay) than you can use it for a 3,5" HDD. 2) the power supply - 300-400W should be possible for around 30-50 Euro incl. VAT. The premium ones will hit around 50 Euro. One advice - choose with the biggest possible fan: gives lower noise. There is also an option for PicoATX and laptop power adapter - but their combined price will be more and you will need additional power connectors for the disk drives. 3) the RAM - 16 GB DDR4 2400/2666 MHz SODIMM currently is around 65-100 Euro per module. I saw reports that the newer embedded processors supports up to 2x16 GB modules (total 32 Gigabytes) of memory. Sources: https://pawelrychlicki.pl/Home/Details/57/-intel-pentium-silver-j5005-supports-16gb-of-ram-asrock-j5005itx https://www.speicher.de/arbeitsspeicher-blog/32gb-arbeitsspeicher-asrock-j4105-itx (in German) 4) the motherboards - they should be around 100 Euro including VAT for the variants with additional 2 SATA channels (total of 4 SATA 3.0 for 4 HDDs). The price varies and depends on what is available where you live. See below for some motherboards. IMHO up to around 130-140 Euro (for the more powerful quad core variants) it's acceptable. So the total cost currently: 60 + 50 + 65 + 100 = 275 EUR for 16 Gigabytes of RAM incl. VAT 60 + 50 + 2x65 + 100 = 340 EUR for 32 Gigabyte of RAM incl. VAT The cost comes awfully close to the above cute NAS system :) Motherboards list: https://www.newegg.com/asrock-j5040-itx-mini-itx/p/N82E16813157967 - this MB has 4 SATA but one 1Gbps Ethernet. If the Ethernet is a problem there are 2/4 port PCIE NICS with 1xPCIE. 4-port 1Gbps should saturate the PCIE 2.0 single lane slot. In Germany the price is 138,42 Euro: https://www.jacob.de/produkte/mb-j5040-itx-intel-90-mxbcd0-a0uayz-artnr-6791344.html?ref=54&wgu=6603_85742_16077005623835_96dbfc34e1&wgexpiry=1615476562&cid=6603_85742_16077005623835_96dbfc34e1 https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/J5005-ITX/index.asp#Specification - this MB is like the above https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/J4105-ITX/index.asp#Specification https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-J3455N-D3H-rev-10/sp#sp - this MB is with older CPU. It's with DD3L so the max memory is 2x8GB = 16 GB.