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aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=uB6a1dfd; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b=uB6a1dfd; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 1D93E2733E X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: Rtc8W7U6jtmj June 25, 2021 7:18 PM, indieterminacy@libre.brussels wrote:=0A=0A> I love= Latex, Context, I feel a bit weird for not having dabbled with Texinfo. = Im not sure Texinfo=0A> is going to sway enough younger programmers (Im n= either young nor old), I fear too many have been=0A> malconditioned into = accepting delible communication techniques - Texinfo may no longer cut it= .=0A=0AWe all owe Ludo a big thanks for writing Skribilo.=0A =0A> I would= consider Org mode to probably be the most acceptable default, though in = many respects=0A> Skribilo could be more of a purer expression of a compl= ete Guix approach. Are the aforementioned=0A> all different ways of dissu= ading people from considering Guix or documenting for it?=0A=0AMy underst= anding is that GNU Guix is a GNU project. As such we abide by the GNU co= ding standards,=0Awhich means that our documentation standard is GNU Texi= nfo. It was suggested to Stallman a while=0Aago that we should make the = documentation standard Org mode, but Stallman did not like to force=0Apeo= ple to use Emacs to write GNU documentation. I would love to re-implemen= t Org mode in GNU Guile,=0Abut that would probably be several years worth= of effort. :) Or perhaps not. I could just write=0Aa reader in Skribi= lo!=0A =0A> FYI, I have been wading into the Gemini protocol the last two= months. Beyond its more noticable=0A> security and publishing advantages= , I have been entranced by the terseness of its Gem .gmi=0A> (minimalist = MarkDown) format. I consider it has crossover appeal (as least between do= cumenting=0A> power users across OSes). FYI, the OpenBSD crowd seem to ha= ve the lead in the Gemini space - but=0A> this is presumable for the prot= ocol rather than the markdown.=0A=0AI tend to agree. Drew Devault likes = it a lot. I'm hoping to set up my blog to be hosted via gemini=0Atoo.=0A= =0A> Since then I stopped annotating in Orgmode and will be building wor= kflows to (eventually?)=0A> approximate a lot of Orgmode functionality. O= bviously Orgmode is awesome but I wonder if it is too=0A> designed around= individual workflows and procedures - where greater payoff comes from po= oled=0A> workflows and procedures.=0A> =0A> I had success/pleaseure conve= rting from .gem to .org formats with this experimentation (concerning=0A>= annotations for a Guix CWL blog post)=0A> =3D> https://git.sr.ht/~indiet= erminacy/q1q20hqh_kq_oq_parsing_gem_zsh/tree=0A> =0A> From the tree you c= an see that it is feasible to output to *tex* or *html* formats, using si= mple=0A> REGEX foo.=0A> =0A> Additionally there is an unfinished attempt = at exporting to (sic) Skribilo.=0A> =0A> (You may want to ignore the pote= ntially impenitrable annotations, which concerns a 'Recursive=0A> Modelli= ng Language' Ive been working on - it would certainly confuse this topic)= =0A=0AThat sounds fun! Chat to me off list if you care to explain it.=0A= =0A> I would be happy if Guix writing was done with minimal Gem markup bu= t with heavy Lisp usage for=0A> interpretation, synthesis, collection and= publishing of content. I had originally taken the=0A> approach that ther= e should be Tex heavy markup first and then simplified transposing into o= ther=0A> formats later. Now Im on the other end of the horseshoe.=0A> =0A= > I miss experimenting with regards to Tikz as a mechanism for generating= graphics. I understand why=0A> other tools are used and ho programmers t= end to seemingly think in terms of characters. It bothers=0A> me that I d= o not have beautiful graph displays representing my environment - to cons= ider things=0A> from an impressionistic viewpoint and a contrast to text-= editor/browser dualism. I suspect it isnt=0A> insurmountable and could al= low visually minded people to not feel aggrieved by TUIscapes.=0A> =0A>> = What do you mean by:=0A>> =0A>>> empathise regarding why networking engin= eers may prefer having a licence=0A>>> which permits encapsulation more r= eadily.=0A> =0A> I mean: the MIT license allows you to operate in a comme= rcial setting, whereby only the binaries=0A> are provided, without the re= quirement to provide the source content. While I normally am against=0A> = this, an OpenBSD networking head has explained to me how there would be u= secases where this would=0A> be useful - if only to provide the commercia= l breathing space for niche projects. I probably should=0A> stop paraphra= sing this person now.=0A=0AI suppose that's fair.=0A=0A> Jonathan McHugh= =0A> indieterminacy@libre.brussels