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To: "Yasuaki Kudo" , "help-guix" In-Reply-To: <9BAE85DD-E067-4649-AAAC-BDAFF9D42750@yasuaki.com> References: <9BAE85DD-E067-4649-AAAC-BDAFF9D42750@yasuaki.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=znavko@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.50 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=disroot.org header.s=mail header.b=hFxuEA/r; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=disroot.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4369794011C X-Spam-Score: -1.50 X-Migadu-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu X-TUID: QGN2wC0Vm9sm Guix repeats the idea of Nix, but realising it more preciously and elegan= tly.=0AInstead of self-made imperfect language describing configuration= =0AGuix is using powerful Guile.=0A=0AYou want some forks of Guix, do you= ?=0AIt is hard to package some software you like for Guix,=0Abut forking = guix breaking its elegance for just to install firmware, =0AOracle, Chrom= e and other stuff is not rational at all, i think.=0A=0AI think, there is= a sense to tune Guix for some=0Acommercial solutions like web-server, da= tabase server.=0A=0AGuix and reproducible builds are from 5th industrial = revolution =0A(that did not happened yet) when you can easily change your= =0Aproduction cycle for even each one product=0Ato fulfil desire of ever= y customer. =0AThere you need to configure your production cycle many way= s =0Aand every configuration must work!=0A=0AIf you want popular comforta= ble OS on your home computer, that is not idea of Guix.=0A=0A=0ADecember = 7, 2020 9:43 PM, "Yasuaki Kudo" wrote:=0A=0A> Hello!= =0A> =0A> I wonder which mailing list (or anything else) is the best for = open-ended Guix discussions.=0A> =0A> I think Guix has a huge potential a= nd it a needs a downgraded version (akin to how Ubuntu makes a=0A> worse = version of Debian) so that more people can use it. As it stands, by defau= lt, Guix doesn't=0A> have:=0A> =0A> * Regular, unpatched Linux with unacc= ountable black magic firmware code =0A> * Polluted web browsers like Goog= le Chrome=0A> * Visual Studio Code that probably has similar issues as Go= ogle Chrome?=0A> * and on and on...=0A> =0A> The first is one of the most= serious problems because computers with AMD graphics cards won't even=0A= > boot without it? (The installer may, but once installed, it seems to ha= lt during boot, even when=0A> desktop services are turned off?)=0A> =0A> = I have heard of PantherX but I wonder if anyone is thinking about "vernac= ular" dirty=0A> Guix-derivative with all sorts of horrible compromises...= =F0=9F=98=84=0A> =0A> Cheers,=0A> Yasu