MATE desktop application "character map"

MATE desktop application "character map"

[gfp]

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Hi Guix,

Guix System, installing MATE desktop
does not include
mate-character map.

I used this earlier when I have ubuntu intalled.

Guix doesn´t include this application.
Does somebody know why?

I would use it for ancient greek letters
to pick some letters which I can´t create.


thanks

Gottfried

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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Luis Felipe]

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Hi Gottfried,

On 5/01/25 13:15, gfp wrote:
> Hi Guix,
>
> Guix System, installing MATE desktop
> does not include
> mate-character map.
>
> I used this earlier when I have ubuntu intalled.
>
> Guix doesn´t include this application.
> Does somebody know why?

I don't know, but


> I would use it for ancient greek letters
> to pick some letters which I can´t create.

Maybe you could use ibus? See 
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/689826/input-methods-for-anceint-greek-and-other-diacritic-heavy-languages

Also, I don't know Greek, but using ibus you can also insert any UNICODE 
characters with the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Shift+U. For example, to 
insert ᾇ (Greek small letter alpha with dasia and perispomeni and 
ipogegrammeni, whose UNICODE is 1F87):

 1. Ctrl+Shift+U
 2. 1F87
 3. Enter

Finally, even though you're not using GNOME, you could install the GNOME 
Characters app 
(https://packages.guix.gnu.org/packages/gnome-characters/), which I 
allows you to search and copy any UNICODE character.

Hope that helps.


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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[gfp]

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Hi Luis,

thanks very much. You saved me a lot of time.

I had the ancient greek spelling checker in Libreoffice installed 
already, but it didn´t work.
Now after your help in saying to install ibus, which I did,
it helped. I can use it now.

I also installed the Gnome characters app
but it doesn´t include the greek alphabet unfortunately.

Gottfried



Am 05.01.25 um 15:57 schrieb Luis Felipe:
> Hi Gottfried,
> 
> On 5/01/25 13:15, gfp wrote:
>> Hi Guix,
>>
>> Guix System, installing MATE desktop
>> does not include
>> mate-character map.
>>
>> I used this earlier when I have ubuntu intalled.
>>
>> Guix doesn´t include this application.
>> Does somebody know why?
> 
> I don't know, but
> 
> 
>> I would use it for ancient greek letters
>> to pick some letters which I can´t create.
> 
> Maybe you could use ibus? See 
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/689826/input-methods-for-anceint-greek-and-other-diacritic-heavy-languages
> 
> Also, I don't know Greek, but using ibus you can also insert any UNICODE 
> characters with the keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Shift+U. For example, to 
> insert ᾇ (Greek small letter alpha with dasia and perispomeni and 
> ipogegrammeni, whose UNICODE is 1F87):
> 
> 1. Ctrl+Shift+U
> 2. 1F87
> 3. Enter
> 
> Finally, even though you're not using GNOME, you could install the GNOME 
> Characters app 
> (https://packages.guix.gnu.org/packages/gnome-characters/), which I 
> allows you to search and copy any UNICODE character.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 


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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Roman Riabenko via]

Hello Gottfried

On Sun,  5 Jan 2025 20:08:37 +0000
gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
> I also installed the Gnome characters app
> but it doesn´t include the greek alphabet unfortunately.

I see the Greek characters in my installation of GNOME characters in
the current Guix System. The Greek alphabet is listed as a separate
entry in the left panel of the application. I can also jump straight to
it by searching: select Find in the menus or type Ctrl+F, then put
something into it, for example, 0370 and click the search button.
This should bring you to the panel and highlight GREEK CAPITAL LETTER
HETA. Does any of this work for you?

Roman

Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Luis Felipe]

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On 5/01/25 22:26, Roman Riabenko wrote:
> Hello Gottfried
>
> On Sun,  5 Jan 2025 20:08:37 +0000
> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
>> I also installed the Gnome characters app
>> but it doesn´t include the greek alphabet unfortunately.
> I see the Greek characters in my installation of GNOME characters in
> the current Guix System. The Greek alphabet is listed as a separate
> entry in the left panel of the application. I can also jump straight to
> it by searching: select Find in the menus or type Ctrl+F, then put
> something into it, for example, 0370 and click the search button.
> This should bring you to the panel and highlight GREEK CAPITAL LETTER
> HETA. Does any of this work for you?

I can find Greek letters too in GNOME Characters, although my app 
doesn't list a "Greek alphabet" in the left panel. I wonder what's 
different in your configuration, Roman...

Regarding the search feature, you can also activate it automatically by 
just typing, so you don't have to Ctrl+F first. For example, try typing 
"alpha", or "lamda".



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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Luis Felipe]

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On 5/01/25 23:59, Luis Felipe wrote:
> On 5/01/25 22:26, Roman Riabenko wrote:
>> Hello Gottfried
>>
>> On Sun,  5 Jan 2025 20:08:37 +0000
>> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
>>> I also installed the Gnome characters app
>>> but it doesn´t include the greek alphabet unfortunately.
>> I see the Greek characters in my installation of GNOME characters in
>> the current Guix System. The Greek alphabet is listed as a separate
>> entry in the left panel of the application. I can also jump straight to
>> it by searching: select Find in the menus or type Ctrl+F, then put
>> something into it, for example, 0370 and click the search button.
>> This should bring you to the panel and highlight GREEK CAPITAL LETTER
>> HETA. Does any of this work for you?
>
> I can find Greek letters too in GNOME Characters, although my app 
> doesn't list a "Greek alphabet" in the left panel. I wonder what's 
> different in your configuration, Roman...

Roman, could it be that you're talking about "GNOME character map" 
(whose command is gnome-character-map) instead of "GNOME Characters" 
(gnome-characters)? Because the former does list characters by language, 
and I see Greek in there...

In any case, both are good to explore characters and find their UNICODE.



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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[gfp]

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Hi,

thanks for helping me.

As Luis wrote I also don´t have a separate list of "Greek alphabet" in 
the left panel.

But if I write: "greek" in the search panel
then the greek alphabet comes up.

The second method, as you described, put e.g.0370 in my search 
panel/Ctrl+F it comes up the greek captital letter Heta.
So that works as well.

But many signs are not displayed, because it says:
this sign is not included into "SANS"
So there are no options to choose different styles of writing.

Regards,

Gottfried


Am 06.01.25 um 00:59 schrieb Luis Felipe:
> On 5/01/25 22:26, Roman Riabenko wrote:
>> Hello Gottfried
>>
>> On Sun,  5 Jan 2025 20:08:37 +0000
>> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
>>> I also installed the Gnome characters app
>>> but it doesn´t include the greek alphabet unfortunately.
>> I see the Greek characters in my installation of GNOME characters in
>> the current Guix System. The Greek alphabet is listed as a separate
>> entry in the left panel of the application. I can also jump straight to
>> it by searching: select Find in the menus or type Ctrl+F, then put
>> something into it, for example, 0370 and click the search button.
>> This should bring you to the panel and highlight GREEK CAPITAL LETTER
>> HETA. Does any of this work for you?
> 
> I can find Greek letters too in GNOME Characters, although my app 
> doesn't list a "Greek alphabet" in the left panel. I wonder what's 
> different in your configuration, Roman...
> 
> Regarding the search feature, you can also activate it automatically by 
> just typing, so you don't have to Ctrl+F first. For example, try typing 
> "alpha", or "lamda".
> 
> 


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Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Roman Riabenko via]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 02:39:25 +0000
Luis Felipe <sirgazil@zoho.com> wrote:
> Roman, could it be that you're talking about "GNOME character map" 
> (whose command is gnome-character-map) instead of "GNOME Characters" 
> (gnome-characters)? Because the former does list characters by language, 
> and I see Greek in there...

Yes, you are right. I confused them. I was describing the GNOME
character map, which can be opened with gnome-character-map, charmap,
and gucharmap commands.

As a side note, I wonder why gucharmap and gnome-characters are both
pre-installed with gnome-desktop-service-type considering that GNOME
lists [1][2] only the Characters application, which you described.

[1]: https://apps.gnome.org/
[2]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gucharmap/-/issues/19#note_509756

Roman

Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[Roman Riabenko via]

Hello, Gottfried.

On Mon,  6 Jan 2025 08:37:45 +0000
gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
> But many signs are not displayed, because it says:
> this sign is not included into "SANS"
> So there are no options to choose different styles of writing.

I do not think that it refers to the style of writing named "Sans".
Instead, it must be referring to the font, which appears to be under
the same name "Sans" for some reason. It seems that "Sans" is a
default font in MATE. Instead, in my installation, the application
indicates that the characters are absent in Cantarel, which is the name
of another font which is currently default in GNOME.

So, the missing characters are not for a different styles of writing.
Instead, those are entirely different characters, which are absent in
the installed fonts. In my installation, the Greek alphabet shows up,
but there are more exotic Greek characters, which are not included in
Cantarel font or in any other font I tried.

When the character is copied to another program, it should be possible
to format it into any font and any style, such as serif and sans
serif typefaces. From the perspective of Unicode, the character
does not change in the process, even if it looks differently.

Roman

Re: MATE desktop application "character map"

[gfp]

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Hi Roman,

> I do not think that it refers to the style of writing named "Sans".
>> Instead, it must be referring to the font,

Yes of course, I meant "font"
I expressed myself incorrectly, sorry.

> It seems that "Sans" is a
>> default font in MATE.

I don´t know. I also don´t know how to find that out.
I thought, SANS is the default of the gnome package, I installed; or the 
default of UNICODE.

> When the character is copied to another program, it should be possible
>> to format it into any font and any style, such as serif and sans
>> serif typefaces. From the perspective of Unicode, the character
>> does not change in the process, even if it looks differently.

Thank you for mentioning that, that´s an interesting point.
So it will be possible to change in the certain package.
I haven´t tried yet, but I believe it will be so.


thanks

Gottfried


Am 12.01.25 um 16:31 schrieb Roman Riabenko:
> Hello, Gottfried.
> 
> On Mon,  6 Jan 2025 08:37:45 +0000
> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
>> But many signs are not displayed, because it says:
>> this sign is not included into "SANS"
>> So there are no options to choose different styles of writing.
> 
> I do not think that it refers to the style of writing named "Sans".
> Instead, it must be referring to the font, which appears to be under
> the same name "Sans" for some reason. It seems that "Sans" is a
> default font in MATE. Instead, in my installation, the application
> indicates that the characters are absent in Cantarel, which is the name
> of another font which is currently default in GNOME.
> 
> So, the missing characters are not for a different styles of writing.
> Instead, those are entirely different characters, which are absent in
> the installed fonts. In my installation, the Greek alphabet shows up,
> but there are more exotic Greek characters, which are not included in
> Cantarel font or in any other font I tried.
> 
> When the character is copied to another program, it should be possible
> to format it into any font and any style, such as serif and sans
> serif typefaces. From the perspective of Unicode, the character
> does not change in the process, even if it looks differently.
> 
> Roman



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