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Wed, 17 May 2023 07:20:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <049924e0-0a12-fa9c-1291-b40b388ca283@posteo.de> <0f5b9e5b-69b2-0a92-6e46-d241c6d719bd@posteo.de> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 07:20:12 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: first experience with XFCE To: Christian Gelinek Cc: help-guix@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=208.82.101.137; envelope-from=felix.lechner@lease-up.com; helo=sail-ipv4.us-core.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Felix Lechner From: Felix Lechner via Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Seal: i=1; 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bh=4cDaOTu3U/5NYJ/Mf2Gvncq2BmaPCc7Pwi5lnJ90hfc=; b=jDEmIWgvjsAe/Qe5Ru0B1NEY/q0K7x8s9hpQAmm3rURNZ1OGax73ktqNDEnXE3TirgSrXc V2jq71cr++ZU9K04Gt0zYtGcyLyDat1uMuOcUkjCZowOjdqX02n8+vAJ50YNKwk1jkVVGk 5Zodq/zoNPBmIOhn6KWDd4M+vC0f8oyH3VxwptM9Eb0R/fvBmUWiESIx1tiSLomqRLT5Ww V0E3Vt9Cn3pwwtQLNaXJKRwMtyAcyN4VOa+u+trGImwb4FZ7qrxOus4NLZEn2bJIh5Ge8x ntGpkbWA5xRSgua3vGNBRkyDtmyac45omrbfDytZ3OKjyXgaN4jxFblRDvvdlQ== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=L1Lc5778; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: C649E68A7 X-TUID: L+R08YFUTfvh Hi Christian, On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 3:57=E2=80=AFAM Christian Gelinek wrote: > > > but starting xrandr in the shell says command was not found. I am not sure what's happening to you folks. I have the 'xrandr' package in my home profile [1] and it runs fine. [1] https://codeberg.org/lechner/home-config/src/commit/243e6c1c59a23ee9560= c5dfdcbf6631eb93fad19/desk.scm#L161 > > Does that mean that even man shows help infos for xrandr > > xrandr is not installed? Well, Guix is a bit different. What does it mean for 'xrandr' to be installed? It's obviously in each of your /gnu/stores because XFCE probably uses it under the hood, but it's not available in your profile. > > or does it only show help infos if a package is installed? Whatever aggregates the manual pages may be more zealous than the infrastructure that builds executable profiles. I am too new to Guix. > This is interesting, I just tried this myself, with the same effect: > `man xrandr` shows the manual but trying to run it (either as my user or > with `sudo` returns with `command not found`. You can find the manual page by running (in Bash): $ find `echo $MANPATH | tr : ' '` -name 'xrandr*' Sorry about the shell scripting. That should really be in Guile. Then you can run 'ls -al' on the resulting path. For me, it looks like $ ls -al ~/.guix-profile/share/man/man1/xrandr.1.gz which produces lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 83 Dec 31 1969 /home/lechner/.guix-profile/share/man/man1/xrandr.1.gz -> /gnu/store/hhdalqvr3dgsapmh8n6wkha6gm6wklrx-xrandr-1.5.1/share/man/man1/xra= ndr.1.gz You can probably find the xrandr executable nearby. Locally, I can run $ /gnu/store/hhdalqvr3dgsapmh8n6wkha6gm6wklrx-xrandr-1.5.1/bin/xrandr which produces the customary (and lengthy) xrandr output. > I'm not an expert, but I respectfully disagree: I have been using XFCE > for several years now Sorry, I didn't mean to take a position of any kind. You are right. Xrandr is actually pretty decent. I have used X since it was called Xfree86 and when backing store had to be enabled manually due to the AT&T patent. [2] It's not a great code base by any means. I thought that was universally acknowledged but cannot find a reference right now. My comment was meant to encourage the use of Wayland whenever possible. I didn't mean to reflect poorly on XFCE, either. Personally, I am still on X just like you and Gottfried, because EXWM supports only that. My three monitors flicker every time xrandr sets them up, and every so often some do not turn on. I have relatively old equipment, though. [2] https://www.gnu.org/bulletins/bull12.html#SEC9 > All of them use multiple monitors. In fact, I'm writing this email on > my monitor which is "on top of" my laptop screen at this very moment. I am glad it's working for you! Will you please help Gottfried? Thanks! Kind regards Felix