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bh=C7H/eOOyWDBzBIZ8nu6aphL0tvDBlyu+WMXEstuL9nA=; b=Ki8mbzlnuhZ7CsjcA9PDzTB4kHrYkGef1G4cW3kmaZHnBtg8d/UImb90P3ZTQ5CR8PEdVw xQrtJj1UktUGrnPVMYgGS8gUnRcMrvhVH8QRlH06oTif77ErvmnNucVi0SMQvD5GmJOajP n1iWwUoK4scTAwHQzbjXc8v2hb26lEmKr1tD9VlVDo7QSrf8n4RAPR8kIvE+RLCRsR3aFt 7HoE/uEG0sMgMAzVb+jfQzEYDkhv0hCUDuZsu4Gom0ziCnpLZYd5Ka4Nx8QTJotungMK2I rgmNJZIwTB38aDVrksMJdFPsTb/65hMaduWmNh/8tNNgmWW5CdrjUo+yu5Hh5A== X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=lease-up.com header.s=2017 header.b=pTtQepUG; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7FB211CF31 X-TUID: 7KgEqZp8lcDF Hi Gottfried, On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 3:09=E2=80=AFAM Gottfried wrot= e: > > Could it be that MATE 1.24.1 became always worse through updating gdm > because now MATE 1.26 (already in Trisquel 11 used) und MATE 1.27 is > available, and after updating to a new version the support for the older > version is not so good any more? Yes, that is very well possible, although I have no experience with MATE. Have you looked at Gnome Classic [1] as a possible alternative? I think the Classic view comes with Gnome 3 and uses their newer technologies but looks more like Gnome 2. If you have any room for compromise, it might be worth your time. The link above has instructions. I think you can select the Classic view via the little session gear in the GDM login screen. Sorry about the experience you are having. Your frustration is the reason why many folks still use Winblows, but Linux will ultimately give you a lot more freedom. You are paying a steep price right now. Kind regards Felix [1] https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/gnome-classic.html