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envelope-from=mariusgr@disroot.org; helo=layka.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Marius From: Marius via Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 4.57 X-Spam-Score: 4.57 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 258B789A76 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: dKkhrLOdEh0c Wow, Thank You so much=2E For me the most confusing parts are how to deal with the store=2E How buil= ds are translated into derivations, how derivations are applied=2E I do not= get if G-exp are scheme description of derivations or of builds or in betw= een? Then the whole bootstrapping process from void is complicated for me, it's= like the egg and chicken problem=2E So in other distros the bootstrapping = is precompiled for what I know, and that's it=2E But I really want to learn how the bootstrapping is done in Guix the hacke= r way=2E I really want to remove the magic veil of low level parts=2E Below= bootstrapping I'm trying to learn how kernel implementations do (I'm learn= ing with XINU OS and beagleboard black)=2E I'm trying to learn by pinching = from boths ends=2E The bootstrapping is like the interface between the two = worlds=2E Thank you for your hard work and attention=2E Best regards, Marius=2E El 21 de noviembre de 2024 17:39:08 UTC, Edouard Klein = escribi=C3=B3: >I'm not aware of anything like this existing, but I am in the process of = writing a series of challenges, with the completion of each earning the cha= nllenger a badge, I will post an email in this thread when this effort pans= out=2E > >If you can say more about the kind of things you find confusing, that wou= ld be of help=2E > > > >Le 21 novembre 2024 18:11:42 GMT+01:00, Marius via = a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >>Good evening, >> >> >>I was wondering if there are any exercices online or not, in order to le= arn Guix in a "practical" way=2E I've read all the Guix Reference Manual bu= t with the lack of real exercises that challenge me to actually get hands o= n I fear that I will quickly forget the "theoretical" knowledge=2E Plus I'm= also interested in learning all the small implementation details=2E I came= to Guix because other distros felt to obscure on what was my OS doing, obs= curity by "hardcoded" stuff=2E And Guix does not feel obscure but rather co= nfusing with so much things to deal with=2E Maybe there is material out the= re that teaches and exercices Guix development from bot to top or at least = some kind of hands on tutorials (like git-tutorial)=2E >> >> >>Thank you, >>Marius=2E