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[72.10.136.90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l13-20020ac84a8d000000b004181b41e793sm5100775qtq.50.2023.10.01.15.16.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 01 Oct 2023 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: "jgart" Cc: help-guix@gnu.org Subject: Re: -v, --verbosity=LEVEL use the given verbosity LEVEL References: <87bkdo29gh.fsf@gmail.com> <21d2ab385ef16bf3404aed2cdc747fd3@dismail.de> <9de75178cdd76d333f78c438a7b8be20@dismail.de> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 18:16:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9de75178cdd76d333f78c438a7b8be20@dismail.de> (jgart@dismail.de's message of "Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:39:38 +0000") Message-ID: <87jzs656q1.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::82d; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x82d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.42 X-Spam-Score: -9.42 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 464EC462C1 X-TUID: vKO+wYqXQAdw Hi, "jgart" writes: >> 1 is for quiet output; 2 is similar to 1 but it additionally displays download URLs; > >> it additionally displays > > I think it is confusing to use the word "additionally" here as there is nothing that we know about the quiet output for the description that let's us then conceptualize what will be added to it. > > In other words, level 1 should be described with more detail than "1 is for quiet output". > > What should we expect to see in the content of verbosity level 1 in general. > > I would have to find the time to conduct some empirical usages with the --verbosity flag to answer that question succinctly and in the general across guix subcommands beyond just describing it as "quiet output". > > WDYT, nitpick? maybe/maybenot I agree it can be improved, but I'd also have to read the code to know what each level exactly do. I think it could make things simpler to use nouns for the level, as they could mean something without having to be explained to verbosely, e.g.: debug (very verbose) info (include some extra messages) warning (warnings and errors -- the default level) error (errors only) Basically like what the levels of the 'logging' Python library are expected to do, which the logging library included with guile-lib is inspired by. -- Thanks, Maxim