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Tons of energy wasted and pollution generated. > >> Have you heard of Guix Hosting services jusy like the Docker or Github >> companies target enterprises customers? > > IMO Guix is still very niche. Only a handful of Unix enthusiasms / > scientifics use it and companies are not in yet. I might be wrong. I introduced Guix to a company called Quantile where I work as the Head of Enterprise Architecture. Docker would have been the typical mainstream alternative, but for the reasons you say and others Guix was considered a more complete solution to a whole engineering ecosystem. Nix was also considered, but we went with Guix in the end. We have integrated it into our standard Jenkins pipeline and AWS cloud, and it plays a central role both in how developers work (eg replacing Python's virtual environments) and how software is deployed by our CI/CD sy= stem. It was a bit of a punt, given Guix is not yet widely used outside academia, but it ticked all the boxes, performed well in PoC tests, and seemed like a solid tech decision - and one I'm still very pleased I made! We've done a few talks on our setup and integration with more standard commercial tooling - in case you haven't seen these they might be of intere= st: https://www.cloudbees.com/videos/purely-functional-ci-cd-pipeline-using-jen= kins-with-guix https://xana.lepiller.eu/guix-days-2022/guix-days-2022-guix-aws-lambda.mkv I'm always very interested in any discussions regarding Guix use in mainstream and commerical projects - I think it has a bright future in this space. Phil