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[66.158.153.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t62-20020ae9df41000000b0069fc13ce1efsm660316qkf.32.2022.05.12.18.33.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 12 May 2022 18:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: =?utf-8?B?55m944GE54aK77yg55u45pKy6YGT?= Cc: yasu , GNU Guix help Subject: Re: Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi) References: <45ea8836-aeaf-4891-9e04-f1b7d356934e@sumou.com> <30fa5b18f1c6154d3a93bdae671aa39ef6961d5a.camel@yasuaki.com> <5a1a0ee136c655fd2853c64894da51c2@sumou.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 21:33:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <5a1a0ee136c655fd2853c64894da51c2@sumou.com> (=?utf-8?B?Ig==?= =?utf-8?B?55m944GE54aK77yg55u45pKy6YGTIidz?= message of "Thu, 12 May 2022 09:37:42 +0200") Message-ID: <87a6bmnrn7.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::730; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x730.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1652405677; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=dOvg7KoL3L6IMW2W6RAXJat5Zv+CqToKTMidHfbYDrM=; b=BSzp1X43DDYVfvQSpvBdlqOF4vs49R6JBFicjMuoD7ZdlXKFFGTmUqCcNLd0PycEF7dS/v REz5a/z6lMpqzdWFS1oiGUDWDJEdnw+mpc84/HTo/zeJHfiE6ya1V3VFrY0WAr47JkKhSn bZ9JyBUdh/pvjJiUmwYfjqpaCLenjZE7kbRpwAb32GX5iTMUybefqCxZGCbvq5km2a0yIB 5P4DZ4FlJOTbIvWTPeUCge3Unmgg5zsFw0vBLBEhZnJL4EoF4GDJGFKTdzYNVpbJb/ehM4 Tfjk3l7ZLFqdmzrEoOZLs7ascghoSGR/TrFf5R4wvKNdo3t8kXjQCZYalFdo1Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1652405677; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=ms0xGROeUv7JhGfa0KhpmmBLO49To5ckqfI3GNHMzrQ+1+sS2dd0vDhE+e/ZKamqTZPblY 2vNKvy7+LXGTXsCqQoMAqNUXnZ4UWz67UGoarOd8ZGagTyUdT/TFo+982xwhMlMrEWMenU abs6Z45nSOX7es++xkXVClf4Jjiadq1y9RHsBEl/aRu9d+Wdycq/2phNWC9MwaKS9QAYR3 AgVZALoZwcHRZ5fozY16GICxER32Tk8h1It4xM+a6Oz8SfOmKmPncWIUMnqQXZuNZ737QJ 0pMgRLdLT5C3N4iXD5CcCOTIg/DD/5zMuXCncpxGejIHWazhMxQ+BWEo7wUaSw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=hRXZ3ltj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.49 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=hRXZ3ltj; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 17EA05B1 X-Spam-Score: -4.49 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: JaOC/mbx4C7K Hello, =E7=99=BD=E3=81=84=E7=86=8A=EF=BC=A0=E7=9B=B8=E6=92=B2=E9=81=93 writes: > On 2022-05-11 14:31, yasu wrote: >> This is also an old topic, but we need lesser-help-guix@... >> The help-guix@... seems so much against even discussion of such >> things... >> So for now (and let me stress, I do not like this situation of self- >> imposed-gagging and would like to help create alternative communication >> forums), let me send you something personally! > > Many thanks, Yasu. > > I was able to get it working according to the instructions sent > privately, including adding a channel for the kernel source etc. > > Seeing as how there might have been criticism in the past here on the > list in discussing topics, which some think are inconducive to promote > software freedom - I don't wish to damage the culture here and fully > describe the solution, if it is indeed frowned upon here. > > On the other hand, I feel the same way as Yasu describes above - for > instance for me I think seeing the solution, which I could not have > figured out myself is actually conducive towards learning more guix > and scheme and perhaps developing some snippets in the future that > could help someone else. > > For this reason I'd think it'd be beneficial to fully discuss the Guix > solution here. Moderators - can you give guidance on this? Nothing has changed regarding the GNU Guix policy regarding free software, which stems from the requirements of a GNU FSDG distribution [0]; it is about including only free software in the distribution and providing support only for free software. This means this is not the right place to discuss how to install/configure nonfree software which is not part of GNU Guix. Yasu, you've been sharing your opinion about this many times here; enough times that it's starting to be mildly annoying, to me at least :-). GNU Guix is not and won't be a place to discuss nonfree software; I'd appreciate if you could stop advertising your idea to create some parallel, nonfree community on Guix channels. You are free to do so if you like, but don't please don't advertise it on the Guix project communication channels. I personally think this policy is a plus that makes the project stand out; GNU FSDG distributions are rarer than non-FSDG ones, after all, and free software as at the heart of GNU and GNU Guix. We should be thankful for it :-). Thank you for your understanding, Maxim [0] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html