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Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Tournier To: wolf , Yasuaki Kudo Cc: Zelphir Kaltstahl , help-guix Subject: Re: VSCode DevContainer for Guix? (Yasuaki Kudo) In-Reply-To: References: <18CDB333-9287-43E3-8C74-37ED66B31750@yasuaki.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 17:12:51 +0200 Message-ID: <868ra13i8c.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::330; envelope-from=zimon.toutoune@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x330.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -9.58 X-Spam-Score: -9.58 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E1364547BE X-TUID: 1wO5rpJKHuSu Hi, On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 at 10:27, wolf wrote: >> Then, it will create a Docker image as an artifact from the CI-run. >> The image is as small as it can be because Guix only installs the >> necessary software.=20 > > Careful about this assumption, Guix-generated container images are pretty= large > and include a lot of things you might not want in there (man, info pages,= bash, > ...). I am not saying "do not use it", but if you try to convince people= to use > Guix for container builds, size should not be your argument (especially s= ince > Alpine exists as an alternative). Yes, the images generated by Guix cannot considered as minimal. :-) Aside bugs =E2=80=93 see #63050 [a] for one example of such bug =E2=80=93, = as I pointed in [b], The tacit policy with Guix packages is that the packages are usuall= y by default =E2=80=9Cfeature maximalist=E2=80=9D or specifically named = =C2=AB -minimal =C2=BB =E2=80=A6 > Right, and reportedly, Alpine-based images for things like Python= are > smaller than what we do. There=E2=80=99s no cheating here: image= s are > self-contained. =E2=80=A6contrary to Alpine where the packages are usually by defau= lt =E2=80=9Cfeature minimalist=E2=80=9D or specifically named =C2=AB - =C2=BB. Consider the package Emacs [1] and give a look at the recipe for the package named =E2=80=99emacs=E2=80=99 [2]. Well, this Alpine packa= ge =E2=80=99emacs=E2=80=99 looks like the Guix package named =E2=80=99emacs-minimal=E2=80=99, and then Al= pine provides these variants (subpackages): emacs-doc emacs-gtk3 emacs-gtk3-nativecomp emacs-nox emacs-x11 emacs-x11-nativecomp 1: 2: a: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/63050 b: https://yhetil.org/guix/87v8l1qy0j.fsf@gmail.com Cheers, simon