From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: quiliro@riseup.net Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <8240b38ffe4a1129678a32035fe10204.squirrel@sm.riseup.net> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhibiqka.fsf@gnu.org> <8736g3k4hd.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <20191010040011.GU20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <87pnj5i3u2.fsf@elephly.net> <20191010051730.GA27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <76443da4cdc82188a5f1a7683d409e2a@riseup.net> <87o8ynu2sj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42065) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIxpU-0002sS-41 for help-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:31:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iIxpQ-0004g1-Rl for help-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:31:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o8ynu2sj.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" To: =?utf-8?B?Ikx1ZG92aWMgQ291cnTDqHMi?= Cc: help-guix@gnu.org On Fri, October 11, 2019 3:03 am, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hi Quiliro, > > Quiliro Ord=C3=B3=C3=B1ez skribis: > >> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]: >>> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing >>> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupti= ng >>> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated. >> >> Censorship [...] > > There is no censorship. > > By joining Guix, one agrees to follow the rules at > . > These are simple rules to keep this space welcoming. We all benefit > from their application. So by agreeing to censorship that means there is no censorship? > Again, expressing disagreement is fine; harassing people like Jean Loui= s > has been doing (first on IRC, then on this mailing list and via their > web site) is not. So your rules have to apply to him, but his rules do not apply to you jus= t because he entered this list? To be bound by somebody else's rules does not imply you are free. It just implies you were forced to comply. That i= s not freedom. It is voluntary enslavement. > My initial message in this thread was directed at Guix developers. > Evidently we=E2=80=99ve now got quite a lot of feedback from people not= involved > in Guix. Yet, this remains a mailing list intended for Guix developmen= t. Correct. I have moved it to a list with more interested parties: help-gui= x. > So, to everyone who wants to discuss GNU matters further, please let=E2= =80=99s > use gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org. This is a matter for Guix because this is the place where censorship is occurring. There is no censorship that I have seen on GNU, just your attempt to take over control of the project Stallman has started and fueled for years jus= t because of your personal grudge with him. You chose to take the problems as the most important and ignore his contributions, past and present. I myself was introduced to Guix by Richard and I have involved others. Heck= ! I would say even you came to GNU because of Richard. That is very recent history. It is not 40 years old.