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From: Adrien 'neox' Bourmault To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" , Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli Cc: help-guix@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87y1ad6qwa.fsf@pelzflorian.de> References: <20240316020307.6bf7335c@primary_laptop> <87y1ad6qwa.fsf@pelzflorian.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-sfnB++TUIPwT/YVHGw+S" Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:26:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:910:1021::201; envelope-from=neox@a-lec.org; helo=a-lec.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 23 Mar 2024 07:07:51 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Spam-Score: -6.82 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 5098520DEB X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.82 X-TUID: 8I+OaJePIfN0 --=-sfnB++TUIPwT/YVHGw+S Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mercredi 20 mars 2024 =C3=A0 13:15 +0100, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) a = =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Hello Denis. >=20 > I believe automatically invoking package managers for users does not > give users control.=C2=A0 Telling them what to run, yes, but running the > commands for them does not seem like good practice, if it can be > avoided.=C2=A0 If I were a user, I would mostly like to understand. Hi Florian, and thanks for your feedback about that. I personally do not ag= ree with your opinion, because I see Guix like a package manager but also as a reproductible build system and environment, which is a really good thing. >=20 > In particular, the GNU Boot description on Savannah says it aims to > replace boot code with 100% free software; the Canoeboot FAQ says it is > impossible to get completely rid of Intel ME.=C2=A0 I have never flashed > Intel/AMD machines, so what do I know. I absolutely don't understand what you're trying to tell here. GNU Boot doe= s not support any board where Intel ME is mandatory to operate the board. Indeed,= it's impossible to remove Intel ME from boards that requires it, and this is why= we can never support these boards unless someone retroengineers these boards a= nd is able to find a way to fully get rid of ME. >=20 > Last time I checked, guix operations like pull needed almost 2GB RAM, > because of Guile compilation not optimizing for memory use yet. Yes, I know that and this is something I measured myself. Thanks again for your feedback and happy hacking!=20 --=20 Adrien Bourmault Maintainer, GNU Boot project Associate member, Free Software Foundation GPG : 393D4CC68136F39799DA75F295F65F55F682A17A --=-sfnB++TUIPwT/YVHGw+S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYIAB0WIQQ5PUzGgTbzl5nadfKV9l9V9oKhegUCZfxfrAAKCRCV9l9V9oKh eucXAQDoI5i2xGsspwtYRulCzqSfqqDhC0niYr7FZ7vdUUceUwEA4iVQidRmyhwu NEu+kHh97OXSpKB+QhXdZz4zaRJxSAs= =uVVj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-sfnB++TUIPwT/YVHGw+S--