Thanks, I made some test on my own to understand : 1 - Like you say, installing things with *guix install* is for current user (for example *firefox* and *sshpass*) 2 - Adding a package that don't exist to * myhome.scm* and reconfigure it with *guix home reconfigure* file will download a package (ex "ncdu"), but this package doesn't appear into "guix package --list-installed" 3 - Adding a package that already exist for user (ex : firefox already installed with guix install) to *myhome.scm* doesn't reinstall package, that's normal. I don't understand the step 2, why *guix home* installed package (*ncdu* here) are not listed with *guix install --list-installed*, is there a difference ? - using *which ncdu*, bin is located into .guix-home/profile/bin/ncdu - using *which firefox*, bin is located into .guix-home/profile/bin/firefox - using *which sshpass*, bin is located into .guix-home/profile/bin/sshpass Ok for secrets, but i don't understand the "out-of-band" reference in your previous mail. Thanks ! Best regards Le 12/05/2022 à 11:28, Julien Lepiller a écrit : > guix install something installs for the current user. Note that, if > you do that as root, the package is also only available to root. The > only way to install or remove a global package is through guix system > and its configuration file. > > I don't know how guix home interacts with other solutions. > > We don't have a good solution for secrets. We advise to manage the > "out-of-band" to make sure that you don't share the secret > accidentally (eg. publishing your configuration with others) and that > the secret doesn't end up in the store (it's world-readable). > > On May 12, 2022 10:40:18 AM GMT+02:00, "Sébastien Rey-Coyrehourcq" > wrote: > > Thanks Julien, > > Ok i see, like you say jpoiret also say me that the concept are > orthogonal, so if i understand well : > > - adding emacs as system package, i suppose this is available for > all users > > - adding emacs as home package, i suppose this is available only > for me > > And *guix install something* install for which, system or home or > both ? > > Some other general questions : > > - About dotfile management, is it possible to use chezmoi, yadm, > stow in // of guix home ? > > I'm interested by some example if you have. > > - About secrets management, i know this is very complicated in nix > (there are one hundred way to do the things, more or less secure), > how that works if i want to inject *secrets* into guix home scm > file and maintain security when i share or publish my config > with/to others ? > > Thanks, > > Best regards > > > Le 11/05/2022 à 17:48, Julien Lepiller a écrit : >> Guix home and guix system are pretty similar as they are used to >> declaratively manage configuration. But, they are not mutually >> exclusive. Guix system is the only way to install and update the >> Guix System (hence the name ;)). >> >> Guix home manages your user's configuration (in /home) while guix >> system manages the system's configuration (traditionally in /etc, >> though less true for guix). The two are acting in a very similar >> on two different things. >> >> Also, you can use guix home on a foreign distro, or choose to not >> use guix home on the Guix System. >> >> HTH! >> >> On May 11, 2022 4:55:23 PM GMT+02:00, "Sébastien Rey-Coyrehourcq" >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> My other question remain about guix home / guix system relation, and sudo, but jpoiret found my main problem, my channels.scm are not well defined / not good ... >> >> - I made (cons * (channel ...)) (cons* (channel ...)) etc. >> >> - and .. the correct way is (cons * (channel ...) (channel ...)) >> >> Everything run fine now with *guix system reconfigure /.config/guix/system.scm* >> >> Best >> >> Le 11/05/2022 à 16:36, Sébastien Rey-Coyrehourcq a écrit : >> >> Hi, Thanks Julien, I see on the doc that *sudo* run >> command as user and not as root like other distro. So, to >> be sure, if i run *sudo guix something*, i don't change >> user to run this command isn't it ? Actually i only work >> with my account "myuser" into group >> ("users","wheel",etc.) using or not using *sudo* (this is >> not clear when i need or not) for running *guix* command. >> About the commands with /.config/guix/channels.scm (see >> content here https://paste.debian.net/1240553)  : a) >> *guix describe* and *sudo guix describe* and *sudo -E >> guix describe* return Génération 7    11 mai 2022 >> 16:01:25    (actuelle)   guix d24ad39     URL du dépôt : >> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git     branche : >> master     commit : >> d24ad3949127a938cad306f0524c120afe5e2e4f b) *guix system >> describe* return Génération 7    10 mai 2022 12:39:34    >> (actuelle)   nom de fichier : >> /var/guix/profiles/system-7-link   nom de fichier >> canonique : >> /gnu/store/az1ff4ll80dbrbkayc4y0jqgnc2m37mp-system   >> étiquette : GNU with Linux 5.17.5   chargeur de démarrage >> : grub-efi   périphérique racine : /dev/mapper/cryptroot >>   noyau : >> /gnu/store/0ffifgs0ixgz0bf1pcahkfdkx9f7h720-linux-5.17.5/bzImage >>   canaux :     nonguix:       URL du dépôt : >> https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix       branche : master >>       commit : 1de0c32142c54bc73af5556d5e45c77152b31f0f >>     guix:       URL du dépôt : >> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git       branche : >> master       commit : >> d775a24344d4a910f6a19072c595bdafcf104b6f   fichier de >> configuration : >> /gnu/store/idr8ds86m69gbx217g5h3qm6m353wliz-configuration.scm >> c) *guix home describe* return Génération 1    10 mai >> 2022 16:59:14    (actuelle)   nom de fichier : >> /var/guix/profiles/per-user/reyman/guix-home-1-link   nom >> de fichier canonique : >> /gnu/store/3q599hyjkx8c5ywsdy2gqfmx2bjzgzmm-home   canaux >> :     flat:       URL du dépôt : >> https://github.com/flatwhatson/guix-channel.git       >> branche : master       commit : >> 094746c1e2e90f2df1e598ab1fd0abb4d75ce84d     guix:       >> URL du dépôt : https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git >>       branche : master       commit : >> 0f705472126f7b935e0783bcd8fec831b7a0593b   fichier de >> configuration : >> /gnu/store/ip90ffd0bzlr7j6kw5ky2pgxpyq1x23c-configuration.scm >> With jpoiret, i try to resolve the issue on chat, i also >> try to run manually *guix pull -C >> ./config/guix/channels.scm* without success. A *command >> -v guix* return */home/myuser/.config/current/bin/guix* >> Best regards, SR Le 11/05/2022 à 12:47, Julien Lepiller a >> écrit : >> >> Hi Sébastien, When you run guix describe, it's >> running the guix for your user, which miggt be >> different from the one you run when you use sudo. >> That could explain why the modules are not found. I >> don't think guix home has anything to do with that. I >> noticed that the first time you use sudo -E, whereas >> you use only sudo on step 5. Mayée that's why it >> fails? I would run sudo guix describe and sudo -E >> guix describe to see how the two might be different >> from your user's guix :) HTH! On May 11, 2022 >> 11:09:19 AM GMT+02:00, "Sébastien Rey-Coyrehourcq" >> wrote:     >> Hi Guix people :)     I'm starting guix, picking >> information when needed into documentation.     I'm >> facing difficulties with channels.scm since i start >> using "guix home", i read the doc page, but i need >> some other things to understand.     Here my logic to >> start just after install :     1 - I modify my >> //etc/guix/channels.scm/ file to add some modules : >> /nonguix/ (my computer don't work well without) and >> /emacs-native-dep/ from flatwhatson flat channel.     >> 2 - I /guix -E guix system reconfigure >> /etc/config.scm/, /guix pull/, and everything goes >> well     3 - Like explained in the doc, I run /guix >> home import ~/src/guix-config /that generate /a >> //home-configuration.scm//     /     /4 - /Into >> /home-configuration.scm///i add the package htop and >> /emacs-native-comp/     5 - In the guix home doc the >> next command is /guix home reconfigure config.scm >> /but this is probably a typo and i run /guix home >> reconfigure ~/src/guix-config/home-configuration.scm/ >>     6 - Everything goes well, emacs-native-dep >> compile during 1 hour, problems arrive after that. >>     7 - I'm moving the //etc/guix/config.scm/ and >> //etc/guix/channels.scm /to my home /~/.config/guix/ >> , /and i run /sudo guix system reconfigure >> ~/.config/guix/system.scm///*, that fail*/, /it seems >> the module (nongnu and emacs-native-dep) are not >> referenced, like the error say /"no code for module ( >> nongnu ..." /But when i run /guix system describe/, >> the corresponding channel are well defined. /     / >>     After that, i try many thing, like moving >> channels.scm and system.scm back to /etc/guix/ but >> every reconfigure command fail in link with >> channel/module not recognized (emacs-native-dep or >> nongnu)     - /guix home reconfigure >> ~/src/guix-config/home-configuration.scm/     - /guix >> system reconfigure ~/.config/guix/system.scm/     - >> /guix system reconfigure ~/etc/guix/config.scm/     >> So my question is first, why that fail after >> switching to guix home ? and how and where i need to >> define/set correctly the /channel.scm/ file to repair >> that ?     For example, /guix system//describe/ and >> /guix home describe/ and /guix describe/ return all >> different channel referenced, how i manage that ?     >> I suppose there is a "workflow to use well guix >> home"? but this is not actually in the doc. For >> example, perhaps after creating and switching to guix >> home profile, running guix system is impossible or >> prohibited ? I suppose this will be added in the >> future.     Thanks a lot for your help. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>     Sebastien Rey-C     // >>