From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id OLz+EQuLYWCOdwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:08:43 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id GKbvCwuLYWC7UwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:08:43 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4F031C137 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQmwu-0004Fr-Rb for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:08:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQmuc-0002k8-N1 for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:06:14 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com ([66.39.4.99]:52754) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lQmub-0001Ek-1g for help-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:06:14 -0400 Received: from mail1.g12.pair.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34F373079; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.64.199.113] (pw126182131029.27.panda-world.ne.jp [126.182.131.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.g12.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A48F73049; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 04:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Yasuaki Kudo Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Two more computers unable to start X with GDM Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:06:04 +0900 Message-Id: <4E82389E-CF2A-4E52-B236-06CB748D38CB@yasuaki.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: Leo Famulari X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D61) Received-SPF: none client-ip=66.39.4.99; envelope-from=yasu@yasuaki.com; helo=mail1.g12.pair.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: help-guix@gnu.org, Joshua Branson Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617005319; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=JAwqzL2kUsLa3uhgJ3iGBJVZH2NuxoE+xVDTbUB7kt0=; b=mmCHafDgNR/OLbj8oJ4HV3Pq2ntxLO51GPEa4l9OYLeItGPyBgsmOiB67tKS8CJwnfAtML qN7nKkqOprifDmarXl120/c/lKcNdkIX6KGiQW3Ibm4ftAduCX4Umhy6Y8dxbyMenE++g/ EuvQsJZBP/MeiUvOZ3kkQmOZWnlJQULqi0IZ2x1J21jfIERrEDym68IWRJdg/EVXvaJQRC KvG3Ao7Ddss06w0bUR/lHKQYd90eVtxftaayytHrBmHFe1JU4MmgY1wlSft1U4yxbqPVBb zJoL1MMI8yPYkfEaNsvgD/MGyOel3h6PMkyXeKeWznVOZl+QV7IyY9woYt+ALw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617005319; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=LWp1LrsxjMtpZb+kHQ9i3tnYQyvJCRUToKyAgNctjB0kVXj6ul1TJXvQGL1xx2xnyOSpzW CO/c65BEzPzzXl14hV5sxSX7UZAqCTo8h70bACv6kTjU2LxszUR6E6NG3U98ROsQ6wYYO3 J0gtNOkEJ3b7WsAvL7esmJsPPLlfdo9Dovy2v+7TVLzW/ho6+dBSPVUsIsr33J/M6WpBhs K1kGrJG2MYutRBpIu53do2cYd14dPtBSFsFlSLo5Y1OyEITf1anZfQu0xJxpxSoDK9nqHL mmPfQk1quODpX+ewAvGfbP9agPdKWuVOqXWFPVKL2/6O9lHtMN5eaEZg8kIcyg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.92 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E4F031C137 X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kSe0w45tEXDQ I read a little bit about the current state of video cards, etc - man this s= eems like an uphill battle=F0=9F=98=85 Basically no manufacture sympathizes= with the concept of total transparency. I was just thinking what the practical end-game of this might be - do you th= ink at some point there will be an FPGA+power+various I/O ports kit that can= be totally programmed to provide CPU and video acceleration? Something li= ke that might be the only way to end this nonsense=F0=9F=98=85 Then the battle will be proprietary vs free software rather than hardware. = But then again, I don't know what kind of nasty patents there might be... -Yasu > On Mar 28, 2021, at 03:25, Leo Famulari wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 10:14:05AM -0400, Bone Baboon wrote: >> X server worked fine with this NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 GPU when Debian >> was installed on this computer. It also looks like Debian uses a >> deblobbed kernal based on this Wikipedia article. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob >=20 > The Guix kernel (linux-libre) and the Debian kernel (Linux) have > different hardware support and, in general, Linux supports more hardware > than linux-libre. >=20