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Though working, my current configuration is not the end system I am looking= to manifest.=C2=A0 Reading and re-reading section 12 of the manual is not = helping.=C2=A0 What is apparent is that a Guix system configuration compris= es two parts: the definition of modules and the system definition. The foll= owing are module definitions pulled from section 12 of the manual and from = my own configuration. Example 1 - bare bones system (use-modules (gnu)) (use-service-modules networking ssh) (use-package-modules screen ssh) Example 2 - typical desktop system (use-modules (gnu) (gnu system nss) (guix utils)) (use-service-modules desktop sddm xorg) (use-package-modules certs gnome) Example 3 - lightweight window manager system (use-modules (gnu) (gnu system nss)) (use-service-modules desktop) (use-package-modules bootloaders certs emacs emacs-xyz ratpoison suckless w= m xorg) Example 4 - my system (full config.scm appended below) (use-modules (gnu)) (use-service-modules cups desktop networking ssh xorg) Okay, now the questions ... 1) Where does the manual explain how an end-user constructs each of these e= xamples in the context of a desired system? 2) For example, what is the purpose of "use-modules", "use-service-modules"= , and "use-package-modules"? 3) Where does the manual explain the options to be included or excluded wit= h "use-modules", "use-service-modules, and "use-package-modules"? 4) Where does the manual list the modules and module options for quick refe= rence? 5) Are there other "modules" types not listed in these examples? 6) Why does the "use-modules" line always include another element or elemen= ts in parenthesis "( )" when the "use-service-modules" and "use-packages-mo= dules" lines do not? 7) As an end-user, how would I understand, from the manual, the Guix system= "concept of operation", "theory of operation", or "top-level architecture"= sufficiently well to construct the examples presented above without just c= opying and pasting from the manual? Hopefully, the variation of the presented examples underscores the frustrat= ion for those trying to understand what Guix is and how Guix works to const= ruct their own config.scm. Further, these examples are not meant to be crit= ical of Guix or the hard work of all the volunteers to date.=C2=A0 These qu= estions are meant to reflect the "chasm" of knowledge and understanding bet= ween expert Guix users or Guix developers and simple end-users. Finally, I have invested over 40 hours reading the manual and other support= ing material.=C2=A0 So, for the "RTM" crowd, I think that time investment r= eflects a commitment to learn and understand the Guix system. Accordingly, = I look forward to hearing from those that can "fill in the gaps" missing fr= om the manual or direct me to the specific resources necessary for me to co= mprehend what I don't understand.=C2=A0 And as a new Guix user, I am more t= han willing to contribute by assisting those working to improve the documen= tation.=C2=A0 A noob to help noobs, if you will indulge the thought. My current config.scm is listed below. Thank You, MH PS - once this knowledge "hump" is conquered, questions on the mysteries of= %base-services, %base-packages and %desktop-services are next on my list. ------ ;; Current Guix Operating System Configuration ;; Modules Imported - Access Configuration Variables (use-modules (gnu)) (use-service-modules cups desktop networking ssh xorg) (operating-system =C2=A0 ;; Local System Information =C2=A0 (locale "en_US.utf8") =C2=A0 (timezone "America/New_York") =C2=A0 (keyboard-layout (keyboard-layout "us")) =C2=A0 (host-name "L85") =C2=A0 ;; User Account Information - "root account implicit" =C2=A0 ;; Accounts Appended to %base-user-accounts =C2=A0 (users (cons* (user-account =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (name "J37") =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (comment "J3= 7") =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (group "user= s") =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (home-direct= ory "/home/J37") =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (supplementa= ry-groups '("wheel" "netdev" "audio" "video"))) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 %base-user-accounts= )) =C2=A0 ;; 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