From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Vladimir Sedach Subject: Re: Shepherd and Guille Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 21:18:06 -0800 Message-ID: <4724.53352199427$1541740617@news.gmane.org> References: <20181030203931.Horde.EDavbeYeoefPBQZ9euUxC25@mail.ingiro.xyz> <87o9b9ig4l.fsf@exinda.orion.oneofus.la> <87h8gxqj0n.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <20181107231234.Horde.GJcOfWxRUgR6leHv2K2Odev@mail.ingiro.xyz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKzBz-0005UP-Eu for help-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:18:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKzBw-0002lW-58 for help-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:18:51 -0500 Received: from forward104j.mail.yandex.net ([5.45.198.247]:33775) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gKzBp-0002Qv-Ft for help-guix@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2018 00:18:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <20181107231234.Horde.GJcOfWxRUgR6leHv2K2Odev@mail.ingiro.xyz> List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+gcggh-help-guix=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" To: Wayne Cc: Help Guix > thank you both Vladimir and Pierre for taking the time to respond. > while i also thought that the article was not so well done, the point > about using GC/JIT/etc. languages for "critical" software like init > seemed somewhat worth investigating. thus thanks again for your > inputs. Sorry, I should have given more details when mentioning BBN Lisp. These investigations have already been done in the 1970s. There were several operating systems built at Xerox PARC, in Smalltalk and in INTERLISP, for various kinds of hardware (including PCs with Intel microprocessors=C2=B9). There was the ZetaLisp based serie= s of operating system originating out of MIT. Takashi Chikayama=C2=B2 implemented micro-controller Lisp systems on Intel processors starting in 1976.=C2=B3 Since that work in the 1970s, the only unsolved problem for using dynamic languages in systems programming has been designing a hard real-time garbage collector, and that has been solved in 2003 at IBM.=E2=81=B4 =C2=B9 https://oneofus.la/have-emacs-will-hack/2012-01-11-the-personal-co= mputer-you-havent-heard-of.html =C2=B2 http://www.logos.ic.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~chik/ =C2=B3 http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/utilisp/utilisp/= IPSJ-JIP1303003.pdf =E2=81=B4 https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/files/us-bacon/Bac= on03Metronome.pdf