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Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:56:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:56:28 -0400 From: "Zack Weinberg" To: "Leo Famulari" Cc: help-guix@gnu.org Message-Id: <395da8a2-a99b-46cc-bb63-d58425c9aff1@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8c1407de-4ddf-4153-8406-9c10c26c21d7@app.fastmail.com> Subject: Re: "guix system reconfigure" downloads 2G of stuff it doesn't need Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.147; envelope-from=zack@owlfolio.org; helo=fout4-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 13:25:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D0B821EC5B X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.03 X-Spam-Score: -4.03 X-TUID: Pzvo+RJG18Yi On Tue, Jul 30, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 10:31:35AM -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote: >> Why does it need to download all of this stuff that I know it doesn't >> actually need (given that "guix gc" deleted it)? In particular it >> appears to be downloading build dependencies for everything whether >> or not it is going to use a substitute for them, and also packages >> that I have intentionally excluded from the system configuration. > > Very generally, these programs are considered necessary to build the > system generation itself. > > I'm not claiming that each of these programs is executed in the > process of building the generation, but they are considered by Guix > to be required, either directly or transitively, in order to perform > this work. Is there a good way to investigate _why_ each of these packages is considered necessary to build the system generation, and, equally importantly, why they are _not_ considered necessary by "guix gc"? zw