From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id wF5cAlimzl6mNwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 17:41:44 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id gDvdOVemzl4AOAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 17:41:43 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DCA29400EF for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 17:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:35170 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1je03g-0002T5-Tc for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:41:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jdzuB-0004Zj-9H for help-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:31:51 -0400 Received: from siauliai.hyperbola.info ([185.177.150.7]:55084 helo=smtp.hyperbola.info) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jdzu6-0006ih-3A for help-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 27 May 2020 13:31:50 -0400 Received: by smtp.hyperbola.info (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e5e40e6e (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO) auth=yes user=adfeno for ; Wed, 27 May 2020 17:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:31:31 -0300 (GMT-03:00) To: help-guix@gnu.org Message-ID: <225915422.1590600329049.org.dystopia.email@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <87v9l2thi5.fsf@dustycloud.org> <87y2pyfc3d.fsf@yamatai> <20200512192319.GA918@E5400> <9077d3bf-1f83-6e08-341d-7f7be5387f42@hyperbola.info> <87367nydku.fsf@dustycloud.org> Subject: Re: Why Mozilla Firefox is nonfree? (was: Vanilla Firefox recipe?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.177.150.7; envelope-from=adfeno@smtp.hyperbola.info; helo=smtp.hyperbola.info X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/27 13:31:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 May 2020 13:41:05 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-guix@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-guix-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Help-Guix" Reply-to: Adonay Felipe Nogueira From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira via X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of help-guix-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=help-guix-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: nKvEVorQ2bcR As far as I know not even Chromium is free/libre, see https://directory.fsf= .org/wiki/Chromium . Also I would recommend all to ask the FSF about the fr= eedom issues with Firefox. -- * Ativista do software livre * https://librep= lanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (F= ree Software Directory) * Distribui=C3=A7=C3=B5es de sistemas (FreedSoftwar= e) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * N=C3=A3o sou advogado e n=C3=A3o= fomento os n=C3=A3o livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletr=C3=B4nico do te= u e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assin= o e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave p=C3=BAblica: vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * Q= ualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se n=C3=A3o tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "s= ignature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresenta=C3=A7=C3=B5= es: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * Use prot= ocolos de comunica=C3=A7=C3=A3o federadas * Vide endere=C3=A7o anterior * M= ensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e ass= inado com OpenPGP Wed May 27 02:16:47 GMT-03:00 2020 Dmitry Alexandrov : Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > I'm not sure it's really acc= urate to categorize asking for a vanilla copy of firefox, which might not c= omply with the FSDG, as nonfree software. The primary issue with Firefox th= at makes it qualify as "nonfree" is that the add-ons tool brings you to som= ething that might guide a user towards nonfree software right? Nope. Firefo= x, as distributed by Mozilla, is simply not a free software. Just reread th= e agreement with Mozilla [0] you are supposed to abide. You are _not_ free = even to redistribute _exact_ copies of it, let aside distributing modified = ones: | You may distribute unaltered copies of Mozilla Firefox and other Mo= zilla software from Mozilla.org without express permission from Mozilla as = long as you comply with the following rules: | | =E2=80=94 You may not char= ge for the software. That means: | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be subject t= o any fee. | =C2=B7 Distribution may not be tied to purchasing a product or= service. There are many other points there, that alone enough to render it= nonfree. My favourite one: | =E2=80=94 When distributing you must distribu= te the most recent version of Firefox and other Mozilla software. [0] https= ://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/distribution-policy/ > Thus = I think this isn't exactly correct framing, since firefox itself isn't nonf= ree? As you see, it is. You could build something very similar to Firefox f= rom sources, of course, but it would not be Mozilla Firefox. No much differ= ence from Google Chrome in that regard. But there is one difference, that i= s to credit of Google and that I would not underestimate =E2=80=94 the free= counterpart of their browser has a canonical name =E2=80=94 Chromium. Whil= e Mozilla=CA=BCs browser is anonymous and, unless are fine with adverting n= onfree software, cannot be referred in any concise way; hence the whole zoo= of rebrands: Icecat, Iceweasel, Fennec (F-Droid), Abrowser (Trisquel)...