ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli]

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Benvenuti Guixers,
i wanted to share a time riddle which i'm unable to solve.
Actually my timezone is aligned to :
  (timezone "Europe/Rome")

Yet, system time is 1h 20m behind the official one
~$ date
ven  1 nov 2019, 21.49.30, CET
(23.09 at the time of writing)

My system was installed with the graphical installer, guix version
1.0.1, Mate DE.

Looking at the machine symptoms, i've found found the following errors
from log 'messages':

shepherd[1]: Service ntpd has been started. 
ntpd[288]: ntpd 4.2.8p13@1.3847-o Mon Mar 18 23:20:45 UTC 2019 (1):
Starting ntpd[288]: Commandline: /gnu/store/c7lsm0nkrdkp1rapg6qkrr6121d1g2nh-ntp-4.2.8p13/bin/ntpd
-n -c /gnu/store/1l1yf5dss8r9pqxklaax32s6bkah09c6-ntpd.conf -u ntpd
ntpd[288]: proto: precision = 1.676 usec (-19) 
ntpd[288]: baseday_set_day: invalid day (25556), UNIX epoch substituted
ntpd[288]: basedate set to 1970-01-01 ntpd[288]: gps base set to
1980-01-05 (week 0) 
ntpd[288]: restrict default: KOD does nothing without LIMITED.
ntpd[288]: restrict ::: KOD does nothing without LIMITED. ntpd[288]:
Listen and drop on 0 v6wildcard [::]:123 
ntpd[288]: Listen and drop on1 v4wildcard 0.0.0.0:123 ntpd[288]: Listen
normally on 2 lo 127.0.0.1:123 
ntpd[288]: Listen normally on 3 lo [::1]:123
ntpd[288]: Listening on routing socket on fd #20 for interface updates
ntpd[288]: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized
ntpd[288]: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized
ntpd[288]: Listen normally on 4 wlp2s0 192.168.1.109:123
ntpd[288]: bind(24) AF_INET6 fe80::1037:b214:ca40:cfe4%3#123 flags 0x11
failed: Cannot assign requested address 
ntpd[288]: unable to create socket on wlp2s0 (5) for
fe80::1037:b214:ca40:cfe4%3#123 
ntpd[288]: failed to init interface for address
fe80::1037:b214:ca40:cfe4%3 
ntpd[288]: Listen normally on 6 wlp2s0 [fe80::1037:b214:ca40:cfe4%3]:123

Am i missing some additional configuration for time updating properly ?
Thank you very much,
fondly,
Matias

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Re: ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli]

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On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 22:13:11 +0100
Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli <matias_jose_seco@autoproduzioni.net> wrote:

> Benvenuti Guixers,
> i wanted to share a time riddle which i'm unable to solve.
> Actually my timezone is aligned to :
>   (timezone "Europe/Rome")
> 
> Yet, system time is 1h 20m behind the official one
> ~$ date
> ven  1 nov 2019, 21.49.30, CET
> (23.09 at the time of writing)
> 
> My system was installed with the graphical installer, guix version
> 1.0.1, Mate DE.
> 
[...]

Salve!
In addition to previous information, i wanted to ask if it would be
possible to solve the time synchronization by installing further
software.

Actually my scm declares ntp service through %desktop-service
variable. Should i add other properties ?

Consider that i'm a beginner for Guix, so i don't know if i'm
classifying correctly all the technical elements ^^

Thanks,
have a wonderful time,
Matias

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Re: ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Maxim Cournoyer]

Hello Matias,

Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli <matias_jose_seco@autoproduzioni.net>
writes:

> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 22:13:11 +0100
> Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli <matias_jose_seco@autoproduzioni.net> wrote:
>
>> Benvenuti Guixers,
>> i wanted to share a time riddle which i'm unable to solve.
>> Actually my timezone is aligned to :
>>   (timezone "Europe/Rome")
>>
>> Yet, system time is 1h 20m behind the official one
>> ~$ date
>> ven  1 nov 2019, 21.49.30, CET
>> (23.09 at the time of writing)
>>
>> My system was installed with the graphical installer, guix version
>> 1.0.1, Mate DE.
>>
> [...]
>
> Salve!
> In addition to previous information, i wanted to ask if it would be
> possible to solve the time synchronization by installing further
> software.
>
> Actually my scm declares ntp service through %desktop-service
> variable. Should i add other properties ?
>

[...]

The most likely reason to see this message (and have a wrong system
date) is that your hardware clock is wrong.  This shouldn't be an issue
anymore on recent Guix, but older Guix NTP service configuration used to
refuse to update your clock if there was a discrepancy of more than 3600
s between your hardware clock and the system clock (the one sync'd with
the NTP server).

So, either:

1. Update your hardware clock
2. Use a recent Guix, and let some time for the NTP service to sync your
clock.

As an alternative to 2, you could set the "allow-large-adjustment?"
field of your NTP configuration to #t manually (that's what Guix does by
default since commit 08b4a10fa6b).

HTH!

Maxim

Re: ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli]

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Il giorno Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:39:58 +0900
Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hello Matias,
Hello!


> [...]
> 
> The most likely reason to see this message (and have a wrong system
> date) is that your hardware clock is wrong.  This shouldn't be an
> issue anymore on recent Guix, but older Guix NTP service
> configuration used to refuse to update your clock if there was a
> discrepancy of more than 3600 s between your hardware clock and the
> system clock (the one sync'd with the NTP server).
> 
> So, either:
> 
> 1. Update your hardware clock
> 2. Use a recent Guix, and let some time for the NTP service to sync
> your clock.
> 
> As an alternative to 2, you could set the "allow-large-adjustment?"
> field of your NTP configuration to #t manually (that's what Guix does
> by default since commit 08b4a10fa6b).
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Maxim

I confirm, as also Leo suggested, simply updating and reconfiguring the
system with root, made the system fly back to present :).

Thanks to all!
Cheers,
Matias

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Re: ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Leo Famulari]

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On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 10:13:11PM +0100, Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli wrote:
> Benvenuti Guixers,
> i wanted to share a time riddle which i'm unable to solve.
> Actually my timezone is aligned to :
>   (timezone "Europe/Rome")
> 
> Yet, system time is 1h 20m behind the official one
> ~$ date
> ven  1 nov 2019, 21.49.30, CET
> (23.09 at the time of writing)
> 
> My system was installed with the graphical installer, guix version
> 1.0.1, Mate DE.

Hm... I'm not sure but I have a guess.

By default, ntpd will not change your clock if it is very wrong. If it
is only a couple minutes wrong, then ntpd will slowly adjust the time,
but if it is wrong by some large threshold, ntpd will simply give up.

However, you can run ntpd with '-g, --panicgate', which will allow ntpd
to make big adjustments to your clock. In Guix, this is called
'allow-large-adjustment?' and we made it the default in September 2019. [1]

Maybe your system has not been updated since then? As root, can you
check with `guix describe` and let us know exactly what it says?

If that's the root cause, try doing, as root, `guix pull && guix system
reconfigure [...] && reboot` to get the new NTP service. Or you could
try a more targeted fix by adding the 'allow-large-adjustment? #t' flag
to your config.scm. Please ask on IRC #guix if you need help :)

[1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=08b4a10fa6bc535cd99d65f0233dd027153878eb

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Re: ntpd: kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

[Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli]

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Eccomi!

On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 15:23:01 -0500
Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> wrote:

> 
> Hm... I'm not sure but I have a guess.
> 
> By default, ntpd will not change your clock if it is very wrong. If it
> is only a couple minutes wrong, then ntpd will slowly adjust the time,
> but if it is wrong by some large threshold, ntpd will simply give up.
> 
> However, you can run ntpd with '-g, --panicgate', which will allow
> ntpd to make big adjustments to your clock. In Guix, this is called
> 'allow-large-adjustment?' and we made it the default in September
> 2019. [1]

I tried launching ntpd with root adding the specified options, but it
actually returns the following issue:

ntpd[1162]: Command line: ntpd -g --panicgate
ntpd[1164]: proto: precision = 1.746 usec (-19)
ntpd[1164]: getconfig: Couldn't open </etc/ntp.conf>: No such file or
directory ntpd[1164]: unable to bind to wildcard address :: - another
process may be running - EXITING

couldn't simply kill the running process since it would respawn
instantly.
 
> Maybe your system has not been updated since then? As root, can you
> check with `guix describe` and let us know exactly what it says?

Indeed i didn't update root's profile since this system's
installation back on Jul 22!

Generation 1	Jul 22 2019 19:17:54
  file name: /var/guix/profiles/system-1-link
  canonical file name:
/gnu/store/8ls7mlpn7vx2szd7ayy8isryjnfkab3w-system label: GNU with
Linux-Libre 5.1.2 bootloader: grub
  root device: UUID: 9b3e267c-cb01-4121-a7d1-9d5b60a2e5cf
  kernel:
/gnu/store/mmnl20fg05w8gzzsp4d8dvagmdn1vjil-linux-libre-5.1.2/bzImage
Generation 2	Nov 04 2019 14:38:46	(current) file name:
/var/guix/profiles/system-2-link canonical file name:
/gnu/store/l4xssjf25si0zkfwqmp3lir2a4x8zjh0-system label: GNU with
Linux-Libre 5.3.8 bootloader: grub
  root device: UUID: 9b3e267c-cb01-4121-a7d1-9d5b60a2e5cf
  kernel:
/gnu/store/9l8z8k5ya6g9vwzn1jcba9qdlfhf6xhd-linux-libre-5.3.8/bzImage

I imagine reason why pull generations only shows the last  one:
Generation 1	Nov 04 2019 10:17:44	(current)
  guix d258d9c
    repository URL: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git
    branch: master
    commit: d258d9c7d222e6b64531c14293f41bd8d62ea4f7

 
> If that's the root cause, try doing, as root, `guix pull && guix
> system reconfigure [...] && reboot` to get the new NTP service. Or
> you could try a more targeted fix by adding the
> 'allow-large-adjustment? #t' flag to your config.scm. Please ask on
> IRC #guix if you need help :)
> 
> [1]
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/commit/?id=08b4a10fa6bc535cd99d65f0233dd027153878eb

The new generation actually introduces two unexpected elements:
a. At the login section it proposes both gnome and mate environment
(which is correctly usable only the latter)

b. Once i login on Mate's de, i'm unable to use any menu's application
(suggests something similar to "unable to spawn proccess
gio-launch-desktop - missing directory")

I wonder if i actually performed corectly root's commands, by accessing
it via "sudo su -", is it the right way? (i remember there was a better
one but couldn't find it on the manual)

As you suggest i'll bring this quest onto irc so i can solve it
in shared mode

Grazie mille!
Matias Jose Seco Baccanelli

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