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I messed up guix-past In-Reply-To: <871qsfmxoj.fsf@elephly.net> References: <86v8pwo39x.fsf@gmail.com> <868rmr7e81.fsf@gmail.com> <87h71eypfo.fsf@gnu.org> <871qsgfwbt.fsf@gnu.org> <871qsfmxoj.fsf@elephly.net> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 11:31:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.25; envelope-from=konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net; helo=wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-science@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-science-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-Science" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1663147949; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=VM9IXjNJRjIExOPkNWvnyvOxVnDLSkfCVD/A2h1BuUQ=; b=WDOrzQZgktx9MhEit3zW5s198gBn5ABFeqhVR5vR0S47H62qPlTn5zqLXwW+w03pArpzWQ +zD4fmfivJ2lfHACd9IH+XDl14mTYppsbPhlzN8ancZM03T5sg/pbmtCihFlUOwItU5CSB eghgvb0bxLgFFAaC54UYodg/ZH8F6r7SpbwJxHP0hwH7nnopWqyEc2LwT58aELRZA5i0eR k8vCp/m3iAm5tbIeGfcC6/EQfD19mfZaMMqFLXZL1q2b2Z3ip5zqD2S7OtSbopWVr7TCpg T4QiUxcilaixCbeCvyB6WPhJal9Hm45JHQczFB/A3nY44aDjtgwcMR1xg0yKjA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1663147949; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=SdTINqLbaF3u+UDeSADBrfB538rt31y6Qzz6KcHTpiqv9Ex69UMN1puvO7czXv254meecz qMdx8JUZAq8+S/pEf3IsrPeMfmAKFh9KWuOAXurTjLz2+NgqomBY08RXLlfJ0bjwDXJvTC 7sISe6JaHVscw4fVmDzsyYkk23ftD+PK9TKbgHdtWkKvTG1xvguarEx89Xd8VnztkpGhwP MU7EGTqVBb+Or7nEk0NvxfE1BaBRZbphYAt75SuVlJYD0GdpGuA8JYAGEhMercenxIwhQ7 /kND0udugbLNTeVLR52hUuGNB/likw6dUwOAfobGiBAk1VS56dH8VFq4Q3C1Iw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=fastmail.net header.s=fm2 header.b=dqPMI0oh; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=wx5YryW6; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=fastmail.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-science-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-science-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 7.78 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=fastmail.net header.s=fm2 header.b=dqPMI0oh; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=wx5YryW6; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=fastmail.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-science-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-science-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A51A21EC4B X-Spam-Score: 7.78 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 2XVPj+EMBtdC Hi Ricardo, > Many graphical user environments come with a key manager that unlocks > all secrets on login. One example is Seahorse, which is used by Gnome > to unlock the Gnome keyring on login. And indeed, I use Gnome, although that's another element I'd really love to get out of my life. I spend way too much time debugging Gnome/Gtk configuration issues. > So this would really not be about GPG doing something silly or unsafe, > but rather about Seahorse and the Gnome keyring doing what they were > designed to do: quietly unlocking secrets on login. It has happened to me once that I clicked "Save password" by accident. But that's not my current problem. I checked: the passwords for my GPG keys are not in the login keyring. Cheers, Konrad