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From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Cc: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludovic.courtes@inria.fr>,
	"Konrad Hinsen" <konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net>,
	guix-science@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Help! I messed up guix-past
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 18:00:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877d28eg63.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edwjmgvz.fsf@elephly.net>

Hi,

On sam., 10 sept. 2022 at 16:39, Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> wrote:

>> From my point of view, authentication of guix-past adds more burden than
>> it solves concrete issues of real problem.
>>
>> I suggest to just drop the authentication for this channel.
>
> I disagree.

Well, if we disagree here then it is rare enough to be notified.  Or
maybe we miscommunicate. :-)


> Channels are an easy way to get a lot of people to run hostile code.
> Authentication ensures that the authors of Guix Past don’t sneak in bad
> code that is then evaluated by Guix — no matter if you install packages
> from Guix Past or not.

I was meaning ’signed commit’ as authentication.

I do not see how signed commits prevent hostile code; because this
hostile code must be pushed to the Gitlab instance in the first place.

Signed commit acts as “double-authentication” for authenticating the
person responsible of the commit.  The attacker needs to control two
“channels“ of “communication”: the remote Git server and the local GPG
thing.

I agree signed commits is necessary for Guix itself or else but I am not
convinced of its interest for guix-past.

As shown elsewhere in the thread, just a channel configuration where the
introduction is not noticed and then “guix pull” is happy.

And I am not convinced that the regular scientists really take care
about these subtleties of GPG.  Obviously, that’s not an argument. ;-)

I restate that signed commits (authentication) add more burden for the
channel guix-past than it solves concrete issues.

Maybe we do not share the same point of view of this topic. :-)

Cheers,
simon


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-23  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-09 15:16 Help! I messed up guix-past Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-09 15:36 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-09-09 15:46 ` zimoun
2022-09-09 16:10   ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-09 17:39     ` zimoun
2022-09-10  7:39       ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-10  9:47         ` zimoun
2022-09-10 16:20           ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-11 14:07             ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-09-11 15:19               ` Efraim Flashner
2022-09-12  6:16               ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-12 15:26                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-09-13  8:58                   ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-13  9:23                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-09-14  9:31                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2022-09-10 10:27         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-09-10 10:40           ` zimoun
2022-09-10 14:39             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-09-12 16:00               ` zimoun [this message]
2022-09-09 16:16 ` Julien Lepiller

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