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dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-science-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-science-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: DACF5902B X-Spam-Score: -2.39 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: T53rb371m476 Hi Katherine, Katherine Cox-Buday skribis: > This is perhaps a rehash of the "worse is better"[2] conversation, but > I often struggle with deciding whether to do things the "fast" way, or > the "correct" way. I think when your path is clear, the correct way > will get you farther, faster. But when you're doing experiments, or > exploratory programming, being bogged down with the "correct" way of > doing things (i.e. Guix packages) might take a lot of time for no > benefit. E.g. maybe you end up packaging a cluster of things that you > find out don't work out for you. Of course the challenge is: if you > choose the fast way, and it works out, do you got back to do it the > correct way so that you're on sound footing? I can very much relate to this. PyTorch was one case where I hesitated between the =E2=80=9Cfast way=E2=80=9D and the =E2=80=9Ccorrect way=E2=80= =9D; I chose the latter thinking that it would probably be beneficial to others, otherwise you wouldn=E2=80=99t have heard about it. ;-) > Bringing this back to Guix, and maybe the GNU philosophy, it has been > very helpful for me to be able to leverage the flexibility of Guix to > occasionally do things the "fast" way, perhaps by packaging a > binary. Paradoxically, it has allowed me to stay within the Guix and > free software ecosystem. In my opinion, flexibility is key to growing > the ecosystem and community, and I would encourage Guix as a project > to take every opportunity to give the user options. I agree. Like Konrad and you wrote, it=E2=80=99s good that we can all have= our quick-and-dirty packages in personal channels, and it=E2=80=99s good that t= hese are separate channels. I=E2=80=99m not sure how tooling could help in the way of making quick pack= ages, but it=E2=80=99s worth exploring. Examples that come to mind are: merging = the npm importer that currently lives in a branch, and providing a generic =E2=80=9Cguix import upstream=E2=80=9D importer that would figure out as mu= ch as possible so that one doesn=E2=80=99t have to start from a blank page. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.